In Australia the legal age to drop out of high school is 17 years old. Do you
think the age should be raised? Or should teenagers be able to choose when they
leave school? Do you think finishing high school is important? Or is starting
work young better? Share your answers below.
Posted by on 16 Apr 2018
Of course! Your future relys on it
These days you need a pass of high school to get into what you want in life
I think the completion of High School is the basic foundation for finding a job
in the future. You should teach your kids dedication and staying power from a
young age - that they should complete something they start. They have many
years ahead of them from 18 onwards to find out what they want to do, and what
industry they want to work in. Even most apprentices start at 18 in the current
I think it depends on the individual child. Children develope, mature diffently.
Staying in school might benefit one child where as another child will benefit
more if they find an apprenticeship or become.e a trainee.
Come to think of it, didn't some of the greatest geniuses of our time fail to
complete high school (which didn't go up to year 12 in those days)? A lot of
great politicians, well-remembered statesmen, successful businessmen in charge
of corporations & cartels all failed to complete high school. Children should
experience working both alone & together both without & with pay for the benefit
of the common good or for the family to start with.
I am 79 years old now,& left school in year 11, probably regretted not finishing
for science as I always wanted to be a biological chemist,tried to get my
leaving certificate some years later,but by then I had married & had a
successful office career, & with no Qualifications ended up as Corporate
Accountant in a large manufacturing company.
So it was not so important in those days,but in todays climate the knowledge you
gain by staying in school & perhaps going on to University counts for much more.
They should be strongly advised by their peer group members that it is VITAL
they complete school. Otherwise they WILL find themselves at a severe
"disadvantage in life".
And......ditto...........re completing high school. This WILL present them with
many "great advantages in life".
I think the age is about right. However some people are far better at creative
or manual work. Staying maybe a problem and they could become distracted and
confused about education. There needs to be better apprenticeship schemes as
well,where the apprentice actually learns doesn’t become disheartened and
isn’t just a cheap alternative to hiring a labourer
As long as they are involved in other forms of education and/or in employment to
ensure they have a viable future for themselves there id no problem with leaving
Looking after your future is the most important decision for all teenagers to
make to prepare for their future and continuing in high school is not always the
best option for some people to prepare for life in the real world.
In my opinion, being motivated is important!!
I dont think it matters if you complete high school, complete university or drop
out and obtain an apprenticeship/traineeship. As long as you are being proactive
and have a goal then thats whats important.
If the person dropping out has an apprenticeship or military position I feel it
is a positive move or a traineeship if they are dropping out to be unemployed
no. If the person is creating havoc in the classroom they should be taken out &
given community service duties till they learn respect then sent back to school
the following year
Yes i do believe so every child deserves an education,encourage the child to
complete their high school years.Its not just about grades,better jobs its also
about character,bettering them selves for their future
The most important thing in a persons life is a good education. Without this,
how can anyone expect to be employed?? Employers don't give jobs to people with
poor reading, writing & maths skills. They are the basics for survival, yet we
more and more young people who cannot read, write, construct a meaningful
sentence, understand written instructions, and even worse cannot add, subtract,
multiply or divide. It is not the fault of teachers, it is the fault of the
individual who has been raised to believe that everything will come to them
without their doing anything to earn it. A sense of entitlement if you will.
make the decision that their cell phones are more important than learning and
just switch off. Personally, I would like to get all the cell phones and put
on a rocket to outer space. They are a diabolical nuisance. You don't get a
to sit or stand using a cell phone 8 hrs a day. The boss does expect you to do
Yes, it is very important. I understand that a lot of young people are not
suited to go onto tertiary education, however yrs 11 & 12 are still important
enough in rounding out their education and giving them a better grounding to
make decisions on their futures.
I also believe that TAFE colleges are an excellent route for those not
academically inclined, but still enable them to further their educations.
My 17 year old has been homeschooling and I am encouraging him to keep studying,
he will hopefully decide what direction he wants to go for work in a couple of
years. He is talking about doing some online courses or Tafe, but not interested
in University and we cannot afford it anyway. Living in the country you have way
too many expenses to get a child to university. There should be more free
education available so everyone gets a chance, not just the rich.
That depends. On one hand, we have an outdated & unworkable education system
that needs a massive overhaul, even by international standards. We have actually
gone a long way backwards. To further define terms, it isn't called Year 12 any
more, as others, not the topic, have stated. However, on the other hand, wages
at a young age are not so attractive, unless you want a lifetime career in the
military. Some of us worked before & after finishing high school, don't forget!
And I thought the school leaving age differed between the states. However,
students should have a complete & thorough general education before either
starting work or continuing to higher education. Again, this argument boils down
to a question of finance, so I continue to press the point that All Education
Must be free, just as it used to be & wages Must be high to reflect a portion of
company profits & improve our standard of living.
Yes, with the proviso that some kids would be better suited to trade courses and
they should take subjects which reflect that progression in Years 11 & 12. All,
or at least most kids should complete Yr12. I left school aged 15 after Yr10 and
have always regretted it (not that I had any say in the matter). Now working on
degrees nos 4&5 :) Far too many kids are heading off to university when they
don't have basic numeracy and literacy so I don't know what they're learning in
Yrs11&12. Maybe they simply don't belong at university. Then there are all the
weirdo subjects at uni, like "gender studies" which basically prepare students
to be social activists and gender studies teachers.
A secondary school is both an organization that provides secondary education and
the building where this takes place. Some secondary schools can provide both
lower secondary education and upper secondary education (levels 2 and 3 of the
ISCED scale), but these can also be provided in separate schools, as in the
American middle school- high school system.
Secondary schools typically follow on from primary schools and lead into
vocational and tertiary education. Attendance is compulsory in most countries
for students between the ages of 11 and 16. The organisations, buildings, and
terminology are more or less unique in each country.
1 Levels of education
2 Terminology- descriptions of cohorts
3 Theoretical framework
4 Building design specifications
5 Secondary schools by country
6 See also
8 External links
Levels of education
First 'Early levels' of the ISCED 2011 levels of education and comparison with
Level ISCED 2011 Description Corresponding ISCED 1997 level
0 Early childhood Education (01 Early childhood educational
development) Education designed to support early development in preparation for
participation in school and society. Programmes designed for children below the
age of 3. None
0 Early childhood Education (02 Pre-primary education) Education designed to
support early development in preparation for participation in school and
society. Programmes designed for children from age 3 to the start of primary
education. Level 0: Pre-primary education.
1 Primary education Programmes typically designed to provide students with
fundamental skills in reading, writing and mathematics and to establish a solid
foundation for learning. Level 1: Primary education or first stage of basic
2 Lower secondary education First stage of secondary education building on
primary education, typically with a more subject-oriented curriculum. Level 2:
Lower secondary education or second stage of basic education
3 Upper secondary education Second/final stage of secondary education preparing
for tertiary education or providing skills relevant to employment. Usually with
an increased range of subject options and streams. Level 3: Upper secondary
4 Post-secondary non-tertiary education Programmes providing learning
experiences that build on secondary education and prepare for labour market
entry or tertiary education. The content is broader than secondary but not as
complex as tertiary education. Level 4: Post-secondary non-tertiary education
5 Short-cycle tertiary education Short first tertiary programmes that are
typically practically-based, occupationally-specific and prepare for labour
market entry. These programmes may also provide a pathway to other tertiary
programmes. Level 5B: First stage of tertiary education: typically shorter, more
practical/technical/occupationally specific programmes leading to professional
Terminology- descriptions of cohorts
Within the English speaking world, there are three widely used systems to
describe the age of the child. The first is the 'equivalent ages', then
countries that base their education systems on the 'English model' use one of
two methods to identify the year group, while countries that base their systems
on the 'American K-12 model' refer to their year groups as 'grades'. This
terminology extends into research literature. Below is a convenient comparison
Equivalent ages 4-5 5-6 6-7 7-8 8-9 9-10 10-11
USA (grades) Pre-K K 1 2 3 4 5
England (forms) Reception Infants Top infants Junior 1 Junior 2 Junior 3 Junior
England (year) R 1 2 3 4 5 6
ISCED level 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 
Equivalent ages 11-12 12-13 13-14 14-15 15-16 16-17 17-18
USA (grades) 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
USA (nicknames) Freshman Sophomore Junior Senior
England (forms) First Second Third Fourth Fifth Lower Sixth Upper Sixth
England (year) 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
ISCED level 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 
High school in Bratislava, Slovakia (Gamča)
School building design does not happen in isolation. The building (or school
campus) needs to accommodate:
Education within the political framework
Use of school building (also in the community setting)
Constraints imposed by the site
Each country will have a different education system and priorities.  Schools
need to accommodate students, staff, storage, mechanical and electrical systems,
storage, support staff, ancillary staff and administration. The number of rooms
required can be determined from the predicted roll of the school and the area
According to standards used in the United Kingdom, a general classroom for 30
students needs to be 55 m², or more generously 62 m². A general art room for
30 students needs to be 83 m², but 104 m² for 3D textile work. A drama studio
or a specialist science laboratory for 30 needs to be 90 m². Examples are given
on how this can be configured for a 1,200 place secondary (practical
specialism). and 1,850 place secondary school.
Building design specifications
The first taxpayer-funded public school in the United States was in Dedham.
The building providing the education has to fulfil the needs of: The students,
the teachers, the non-teaching support staff, the administrators and the
community. It has to meet general government building guidelines, health
requirements, minimal functional requirements for classrooms, toilets and
showers, electricity and services, preparation and storage of textbooks and
basic teaching aids.  An optimum secondary school will meet the minimum
conditions and will have :
specialised teaching spaces;
a staff preparation room;
an administration block;
a general purpose school hall;
laboratories for science, technology, mathematics and life sciences, as may be
a library or library stocks that are regularly renewed; and
computer rooms or media centres.
Government accountants having read the advice then publish minimum guidelines on
schools. These enable environmental modelling and establishing building costs.
Future design plans are audited to ensure that these standards are met but not
exceeded. Government ministries continue to press for the 'minimum' space and
cost standards to be reduced.
The UK government published this downwardly revised space formula in 2014. It
said the floor area should be 1050m² (+ 350m² if there is a sixth form) +
6.3m²/pupil place for 11- to 16-year-olds + 7m²/pupil place for post-16s. The
external finishes were to be downgraded to meet a build cost of £1113/m².
Secondary schools by country
Main article: List of secondary education systems by country
A secondary school, locally may be called high school or senior high school. In
some countries there are two phases to secondary education (ISCED 2) and (ISCED
3), here the junior high school, intermediate school, lower secondary school, or
middle school occurs between the primary school (ISCED 1) and high school.
Names for secondary schools by country
Argentina: secundaria or polimodal, escuela secundaria
Australia: high school, secondary college
Austria: gymnasium (Ober- & Unterstufe), Hauptschule, Höhere Bundeslehranstalt
(HBLA), Höhere Technische Lehranstalt (HTL)
Azerbaijan: orta məktəb
Bahamas, The: junior high (grades 7–9), senior high (grades 10–12)
Belgium: lagere school/école primaire, secundair onderwijs/école secondaire,
Bolivia: educación primaria superior (grades 6–8) and educación secundaria,
Bosnia and Herzegovina: srednja škola (literally middle school), gimnazija
Brazil: ensino médio (officially), segundo grau (formerly)
Brunei: mostly sekolah menengah (English translation: secondary school), a few
maktab (English translation: college)
Bulgaria: cредно образование (grades 8–12)
Canada: High school, junior high or middle school, secondary school, école
secondaire, lycée, collegiate institute, polyvalente
Chile: enseñanza media
China: zhong xue (中学; literally, middle school), consisting of chu zhong
(初中; literally beginning middle) from grades 7 to 9 and gao zhong (高中;
literally high middle) from grades 10 to 12
Colombia: bachillerato, segunda enseñanza (literally second learning)
Croatia: srednja škola (literally middle school), gimnazija (gymnasium)
Cyprus: Γυμνάσιο (gymnasium), Ενιαίο Λύκειο (Lyceum)
Czech Republic: střední škola (literally middle school), gymnázium
(gymnasium), střední odborné učiliště
Dominican Republic: nivel medio, bachillerato
Egypt: Thanawya Amma (ثانوية عامة), (public secondary certificate)
Estonia: upper secondary school, gymnasium, Lyceum
Finland: lukio (Finn.) gymnasium (Swed.)
France: collège (junior), lycée (senior)
Germany: Gymnasium, Gesamtschule, Realschule, Hauptschule, Fachoberschule
Greece: Γυμνάσιο (3 years) (gymnasium), Γενικό Λύκειο (3
years) (~1996, 2006~present), Ενιαίο Λύκειο (3 years), (1997~2006)
Hong Kong: Secondary school (中學)
Hungary: gimnázium (grammar school), középiskola (comprehensive school, lit.
"middle-school"), szakközépiskola (vocational secondary school, lit.
Iceland: framhaldsskóli (menntaskóli, iðnskóli, fjölbrautaskóli) from
11-13 Grade. You go first in 1 - 10 Grade then you change the school to
Menntaskóla and take 3 years (11-13 Grade). But you can also take it 4
India: secondary school, higher secondary school
Indonesia: sekolah menengah atas (SMA) (lit. "upper middle school"), sekolah
menengah pertama (SMP) (lit. "first middle school"), sekolah menengah kejuruan
(SMK) (vocational school, lit. "middle vocational school")
Ireland: Meánscoil or Secondary School
Italy: scuola secondaria di primo grado (3 years) + scuola secondaria di secondo
grado (5 years): Liceo, Istituto Tecnico and professionale (3–4 years)
Japan: chūgakkō (中学校; literally middle school), kōtōgakkō
(高等学校; literally high school), chūtōkyōikugakkō (中等教育学校;
Secondary School) – In the pre-Meiji educational system, the equivalent was
South Korea: 중등교육 (joongdeung gyoyook; literally middle education),
comprising 중학교 (joonghakkyo; grades 7–9, though referred to as "middle
school grades 1–3") and 고등학교 (godeunghakkyo; grades 10–12, though
referred to as "high school grades 1–3")
Latvia: vidusskola (literally middle school)
Lithuania: vidurinė mokykla (literally middle school), gimnazija (gymnasium),
Malaysia: secondary school or sekolah menengah, sometimes high school is used
Malta: skola sekondarja or secondary school
Mexico: educación secundaria y preparatoria
Mongolia: бүрэн дунд сургууль
Netherlands: middelbare school or voortgezet onderwijs
New Zealand: high school, college or secondary school
Norway: videregående skole
Pakistan: secondary school, higher secondary school
Paraguay: educación media
Peru: educación secundaria or escuela secundaria
Philippines: high school or mataas na paaralan
Poland: gimnazjum (grades 7–9), liceum (grades 10–12)
Portugal: 2º Ciclo do Ensino Básico (5th and 6th grades), 3º Ciclo do Ensino
Básico (7th to 9th grades), and Ensino Secundário, Liceu (10th to 12th
Romania: gimnaziu (grades 5–8), liceu (grades 9–12)
Russia: средняя школа (literally middle school)
Serbia: gymnasium (4 years), professional schools (4 years), vocational schools
(3 or 4 years)
Spain: educación secundaria, composed of two cycles: E.S.O. (Educación
Secundaria Obligatoria, compulsory secondary education, 4 years, 7th to 10th
grade) and bachillerato (non-compulsory secondary education, 2 years, 11th and
12th grade); formerly, primary education comprised up to the 8th grade and the
secondary education was composed of two non-compulsory cycles: B.U.P.
(Bachillerato Unificado Polivalente, 3 years, 9th to 11th grade) and C.O.U.
(Curso de Orientación Universitaria, 1 year, 12th grade)
Switzerland: gymnasium, secondary school, collège or lycée
Taiwan: Junior High School (國民中學), Senior High School (高級中學),
Vocational High School (高級職業中學), Military School (軍校), and
Complete High School (完全中學).
Thailand: mạṭhymṣ̄ụks̄ʹā (มัธยมศึกษา; ilt.
Ukraine: середня освіта (transliteration: serednya osvita)
United Kingdom: Secondary School (May be referred to as High School)
United States: High school (North America) (usually grades 9–12 but sometimes
10–12, it is also called senior high school) is always considered secondary
education; junior high school or intermediate school or middle school (6–8,
7–8, 6–9, 7–9, or other variations) are sometimes considered secondary
Uruguay: Liceo or Secundaria (3 years of compulsory education: Ciclo Básico;
and 3 years of specialization: Bachillerato Diversificado, into: Humanities (Law
or Economics), Biology (Medicine or Agronomy), Science (Engineering or
Architecture), and Art
Vietnam: Trung học cơ sở (lit. basis middle school) Trung học phổ
thông (lit. "popular middle school")
South Korea: 고등학교 (lit. trans. from the American term "high school")
(equiv. to America's 10th-12th grades)
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I believe every child deserves an education,encourage the child to complete
their high school years.Its not just about grades,better jobs its also about
character,learning to make better choices,not rushing into adult life.Its
stepping stones to maturity about your life.
From my own experiences, at 17 years, only your elemental learning is
Your future learning should be directed into your career of choice, which may
involve further studies, and be supported by employment, hopefully in the
industry of your choice.