Recently the English rugby team received a fine for their reaction to the All
Black’s haka last week. Many rugby fans think the haka is unnecessary and
gives them an unfair advantage. However, it’s a significant dance in Maori
culture that is performed at a number of different ceremonies. LiveTribers, what
do you think of the haka? Should it be banned?
Posted by on 04 Nov 2019
Lol advantage how?!
Most certainly should not be band, its tradition, tradition is beautiful, this
particular one is not harming anyone
Like you'd think there's ....a multitude of things to consider
...before taking hereitary away from the invaded....who still havent received
fair remuneration...let's ban birds from flying no landing ..just ban birds..
To ban the Haka is to go against The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
An unfair advantage how?
Maybe the English Rugby Team needs education on inclusiveness, equality and
acceptance let alone discrimination as well as the fine.
These people are supposed to be role models!!
no, I think it is a great display of national pride. The passion they show when
performing the Haka is heartwarming unlike the pathetic attempt I see our sport
people mouthing our national anthem. It is like we have been conditioned to be
ashamed to be a proud Australian (like it is politically incorrect these days to
take pride in our country)
Why all of a sudden people want to BANNED the NZ Haka? The Haka is the only way
for other countrys to beat NZ because after doing a Haka the boys a tied, if NZ
didnt do a Haka then rugby will be boring because NZ will alway be number 1.
As a proud Maori Wahine (woman)
who is very grateful for my ancestors standing up for who we are as an
indigenous culture, and leading the way for us as people to showcase who we are
as a proud nation. Every country has their own way of celebrating who they are.
The Haka is a tradition handed down from our ancestors and has been apart of
ruby culture from the very beginning. The All Blacks are known are the world for
our traditional dance and we would not change for any country. It is apart of
our history and current way of live. Another country, or another nation has no
right to tell us as proud people of New Zealand to stops being who we are. How
would the English like it if we told them to stop doing any a traditional event.
We do not have the right as people from another nation.
Yes please do enforce the laws for it’s like a book unless u open the cover u
don’t know what is inside the pages of a book and same with the haka it could
be some criminal in disguise or a male u can never judge what under the covers
Kiwis are addicted to the stupid "war cry" and follow it like sheep it means
"it's death it's life it's death it's life, this is the hairy man who caused the
sun to shine again for me,up the ladder up the ladder, Up to the top where the
sun shines" wow and then they stick their tongues out with a hateful face. And
this is "tradition" that needs to be followed by sheep?... It is clear that most
reactions here are posted by kiwi sheep that talk about culture? If anyone would
"greet" me like that I would moon them, or teams should just go to the other
side of the field and ignore them but no sporting body should be fined for not
watching a bunch of fanatics doing silly boring "war dances" like a bunch of
school children that refuse to grow up Culture my foot! I guess there is just
one thing kiwis are good at, RUGBY but that's all... but a war dance...? come on
kiwis, time to join the 21st century YES BAN THE STUPID HAKA meaning stupid
words and just play the one and only game you are good at and stop demanding
time to try and intimidate your opponents
Sounds like somebody who is uncultured and boring would write this comment we
are a small country who excell in ALOT of sports if you dont mind and WORLD
CHAMPIONS on every level of sport how about you sit back relax and let our tiny
nation keep on KICKING ass in everything and anythings its how we roll
So what cultural background do you come from if any? Grown men to feel
threatened by a simple war dance is ridiculous!! You are not worthy of the haka
so you need not worry about being faced by one. No kiwi would waste their time
You need to get a life. Your intelligence is probably questionable if your
reaction is to "moon them". If you are around 15 years old, then maybe I can
understand where you are coming from. If you are older than 20, then you have
the emotional & mental intelligence of an emerging fungus.
Yes, it is an NZ cultural icon but it is also intimidates the opposition. That
does confer an unfair advantage. By all means let is continue but don't expect
opposition teams to stand there and PUT UP WITH IT. The opposition team should
not leave the sheds until the haka is finished.
Yes it should be stopped because it always sounds like a war cry, the way they
look at the opposition is intimidating.
Why opposition teams have to stand still and silent during it.
Australia should get Adam Goodes to do his spear dance whenever we play New
well that is a great idea sadly Australia has alot to answer for there treatment
of the indigenous peoples of the land as do we in AOTEAROA or New Zealand we
respect other cultures all over the planet because we all have similar
mythologys you could say.Oh and in everything we do we except challenges from
all cultures from around the world thats how we all roll.
If our team is intimidated by a dance then we need to find a new team really
Besides it’s a great tradition of a great people and who are we to deny them
Wake up to yourselves. Grow up. Do your job and play and stop making excuses for
a poor performance ay.
May the best team win !!!
Absolute rubbish - of course it shouldn't be banned. It is an important part of
the game. If other teams think it should be banned, they should try their own
war dances or rituals. I find it offensive to suggest it should be banned.
absolutely not it is a traditional dance which has been around for years.
if the English can't handle it then that's their problem.
I love watching the Haka performed and wish that Aboriginal tribal dances could
be regularly performed at Australian sporting events not just in Indigenous
Banned to satisfy the Northern Hemisphere media? Because they're scared of it?
Of course not. Other teams can challenge it however they want. Just don't cross
the halfway line.
Read what former Springbok captain John Smit had to say - "For me the haka and
for South Africans it's a privilege. When you're playing against the All Blacks
you know you've sort of got to the pinnacle of what your career is – playing
for your country and facing the Kiwis."
The Haka is great to watch and must be empowering to perform too. Other teams
could make their warm up more vocal as well or make a dance in reply to the
Haka. I think it's awesome to see these powerfull men "dancing"
The Haka is a ceremonial dance and should be contained to this. Yes, I believe
that it should not be used for International competitions or games as it is not
part of the true culture that they are within and representing. Keep it as a
ceremonial thing for their own culture.
Should The Haka Be Banned? Yes, unless the Poms can have their "V" for Victory.
England have been fined £2000 by World Rugby for crossing the halfway line as
the players formed a V-shape to face the haka before their semi-final victory
over New Zealand. World Rugby rules stipulate teams must remain within their own
half of the pitch to receive the challenge.Oct 30, 2019
England fined for advancing beyond halfway line to form V ...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk › rugby-world-cup › 2019/10/30 ›
Why should NZ be the only team allowed this licence? I like the haka, but after
all, it's ceremony - not part of the game. The response should not be fettered
by rules made for one team. Either allow everyone to respond as they wish, or
allow no-one to break into non-game-related theatrics. What I'd like to see is
the bombasts who came up with their interpretations of the rules be banned. Any
theatrics from either team should be allowed up until the officials arrive on
the field when each time must retire to its own half to commence the game and
the theatrics should cease.
No the Haka is a time honored Maori ceremonial presentation at various events
around the world and identifies the competitive spirit of New Zealand. So much
better than observing Australian sporting sides who can't remember or sing our
National Anthem at game events. I am always impressed at ANZAC Day events and
when the Kiwis perform the Haka.
I THINK THAT IF WE KEEP BANNING THESE TRADITIONS LIKE THE HAKA, (WHICH IS ALSO
DONE BY OTHER INDIVIDUAL ISLANDER PEOPLE, ALTHOUGH BY DIFFERENT NAMES) WE WILL
END UP WITH NO TRADITIONS AT ALL. BESIDES I LOVE THE HAKA
The Haka, by definition, is a declaration of war. Whilst I am not against the
Haka being performed, I think it is ridiculous by not allowing the opposing team
to react to this declaration of war in any manner they prefer (short of
interrupting the performance of the Haka)
What rubbish this survey is , the N/Z teams would not be the same without the
Haka , it is wonderful , colourful and Maori culture , I am Australian through &
through , however I must admit that I love the Haka . Some other competitors are
even trying to emulate the Kiwis . Keep it going I say .
no its tradition. In any match of sports, you are literally going to war with
another team. So for them this is their war. I like it and it attracts alot of
people to come and support both sides and be able to show the display of the
mighty all blacks team in whatever sport they are taking part in.
It is a cellibatory chant, prayer for the thanks for life and the sorrow for
loss of a life, their own and others both innocent it was commonly "heard" as a
war chant but also Sung as a sorrowful hymn for many occasions of tradition
Belonging to us.
Idon't think it shoudl be banned, it is a ceremony off challenge that used to
happen when other races off people visited New Zealand shores, there are many
different types off Haka and the one the football teams usually do is meant to
instill fear into their opponents.
Yes - or allow every other nation's players to also hold
dances/songs/music/drama whenever they play! The English could play classical
music, eastern Indians hold Indian dances/music, Aborigines perform in native
paint with didgeridoos, Russians perhaps a ballet - ridiculous, isn't it?
No-one else gets this permitted, so why should the Maoris? It's therefore
discriminatory, for a start - and come on - rugby or any other sport is about
the GAME, not dancing/singing/chanting or whatever! G
Sorry, didn't read the description above.
Of course the Poms would want to claim it gives an opposing team the advantage,
they just always want to win. I thought the yanks were sore losers at
everything, but the Poms are far worse, plus they whinge at everything
Maybe they should ask the Queen what she thinks, because she seems to enjoy it
when she is welcomed to NZ with a Haka.
This is a long standing tradition welcome that should encouraged to keep a
difference from the teams such as the All Blacks to the rest of the teams they
Why would you ban it?
Some one needs to get a Life!
There is no problem with New Zealand doing the Haka, they allow time for it. But
I see no issue with opposing teams walking towards New Zealand while they are
doing it as this shows that they are not afraid of the “attacking” team. To
penalise them for it was ridiculous. I would like to see other Countries come up
with their own custom like how Australia now stand in a defensive V Shape during
the Haka. This is Australia showing that they are reading to “defend”
against the “attacking” team.
I don't see why it should be banned, not different from having a bunch of
cheerleaders doing a dance but it has more meaning than cheerleaders. I am not a
rugby fan so it does not matter to me personally.
The original haka used by the all Blacks was
Ka mate ka mate kora kora
it was the Haka of Maori Chieftan Te Rauparaha, who caused the British colonists
in the mid 18th century more than a little grief, and was used by the All Blacks
until 2005, when a special Haka was written for the All Blacks, "Kapo o Pango"
which is the one currently performed.
Kapo o Pango roughly translates as "All Blacks"
Some have objected to the gesture in this haka of drawing the finger across the
throat, as a threat to kill, but to t the concluding movement is actually a
Māori symbol of drawing vital energy into the body that fitted the spirit of
I much preferred the Ka mate haka, it has greater significance and more energy,
we learned it at intermediate school in New Zealand from out teacher Matt Te
Heu, a Maori Kamatua, along with several other hakas, ( including Maugu mangu
taipo - Black Black Devil) as part of learning about indigenous.
I am a 4th generation white New Zealander, my great grandfather was one of the
pioneering farmers in the Waikato, at Rotokauri, and I believe it is important
to learn about one's nation's indigenous culture and respect it.
Maori culture is unique to New Zealand, it is who and what we are Maori and
Pakeha, who after conflicts and a somewhat rough beginning have come together to
form a proud nation.
Rugby is in the New Zealand DNA,when I was growing up in the late 1940s and
1950s, all boys played Rugby Union, it was virtually compulsory, and all young
boys aspired to be an All Black.
Today, New Zealand has a greater pool of Rugby talent than any other Rugby
playing Nation, in spite of a population of only 4.5 million. I used to be the
secretary of Pakuranga United Rugby Club in Auckland, and every Saturday in the
season we fielded 39 Junior teams (age 6 -19) we were just 1 of 20 clubs in the
Auckland Union, and there are 3 Unions in the greater Auckland area (slightly
smaller than greater Brisbane). As well as the Saturday club competitions there
is a very strong inter secondary school competition - no nation is so strongly
permeated with the spirit of Rugby Union.
The All Blacks didn't win the World Cup this year, but in 4 years time they will
be back as strong as ever, with new blood, Up and coming talented players are a
commodity New Zealand has in abundance, the problems is the selectors are
spoiled for choice, and it requires a set back to bring on new talent and give
the younger players a chance to prove their mettle and develop.
Back to the topic, the Haka is an integral part of New Zealand Maori culture and
of the New Zealand All Blacks, it should be retained, I would favour reverting
to Ka mate ka mate but I guess that won't happen.
For the Aussies who feel the Wallabies should be the future, Australian Rugby
Union is handicapped by the dominance of Rugby League, that is where the
majority of the talent goes, that is where the strongest competition in
Australia is, and that is why Australia are the world champions in that code.
Rugby Union is the dominant Winter Sport in New Zealand, South Africa, Wales and
the Pacific Islands(who punch well above their population numbers
You said it all above , performed at a number of different ceremonies , NOT
because they have nothing else !!.
So , Not banned just moderated to religious or traditional ceremonies ,
personally I go do something else every time they do it , I do not mean to
offend , just over it being done every single time in everyplace for no
A couple of them went over halfway while the Haka was being performed, they did
not act the goat, call out insults, in fact showed respect, Change the rules,
let the All Blacks have their traditional war game. No one ran away scared, get
on with the game
Leave the Haka alone, it is culturally significant and brings a great sense of
theatre and excitement to the games. Let the British do their own 'ritual' prior
to a game if they wish... possibly '12 Little Maids Are We'... ☺
No definitely not! The Haka should continue to be celebrated as it is part their
culture. Best start to any game ... if it's found intimidating by an opposing
team then something is lacking in them. I also think there's been an over
reaction by fining the English team.. Wow stepping over the centre line also
seen as intimidating and not within the rules.. really? Come on.. maybe an error
of judgement by stepping over the line but fining them??.. That's ridiculous..
come on let's play ball and stop this folly and enjoy the sport!
No, why should us Kiwis refrain or be banned from performing a haka just because
someone says so, if they want to do a jig or some other kind of dance before
their match no one's stopping them, it may be an unfair advantage to some
people, however we don't win every single match after the haka is done.
no way. watching the kiwi all-blacks haka is the best bit of rugby union. l
think it, as well as the other pacific nations that do it, are great visuals. lt
would be cool if Australia could reply with an aboridginal war dance