Should Businesses Be Allowed To Refuse Gay Customers?


A bakery in Northern Ireland has won a landmark court case for their refusal to decorate a cake with the words “Support Gay Marriage”. The owners had their appeal for discrimination upheld and said it was a momentous day for religious freedom. Do you think justice was served LiveTribers or should it be discrimination for businesses to refuse their services to people who identify as part of the LGBT community? One of the arguments when it comes to bakeries creating cakes for same sex weddings is that customers can just find another bakery but what happens if you live in a small town and don’t have lots of options?

Posted by on 11 Oct 2018

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    Cameron

    What is the difference discriminating against religion or against gays

    Posted by Cameron on 17 Oct 2018

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    socker

    Business should not be allowed to discriminate. This article is actually discriminating in it self as it was misrepresentation of the facts. in that it does not explain that the business was not discriminating against gays but what was wanted written on the cake. It is just blown out of all proportion as all the shop had to do was charge more so that they went somewhere else.

    Posted by socker on 17 Oct 2018

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    Mustang6000

    Simple answer - No. This will open a huge can of worms where the next case may well be gay store owners refusing to serve straight people. The common sense thing would be to accept that business should be separate from the staff or owners personal beliefs. I would be interested in seeing what sort of backlash this store has received within their community.

    Posted by Mustang6000 on 17 Oct 2018

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    8181

    Businesses should stop serving Christians

    Posted by 8181 on 16 Oct 2018

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    Rockabilly

    This is not about their gender quality but what was wanted on the cake. "Support Gay Marriage". This is why they were refused service and hot because that they are gay.

    Posted by Rockabilly on 16 Oct 2018

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    Gildalanitia

    People shouldn’t judge other people because of their identity and especially for who they are. So what if they’re Gay ? Gay or not Gay should treat all customers the same, it’s the happiest day of their lives why not just make the cake for them. If baking that cake for them puts a smile on their faces isn’t that a best feeling is to be able to make someone happy and be able to put a smile on their faces.

    Posted by Gildalanitia on 16 Oct 2018

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    phonebox

    yes if they do not want to sell to gays then good its their bussiness i thought it was a free country and can refuse to serve a customer if i wish

    Posted by phonebox on 16 Oct 2018

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    Peter

    Of course not. It'd be criminal to do so.

    Posted by Peter on 16 Oct 2018

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    Radha

    It's a tricky one where so many of this is going on ...like it has become done kind of a trend . In the 60's 70 's 80s 90s this was unheard of ..so don't know what you think of this

    Posted by Radha on 15 Oct 2018

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    Max

    If I enter a cake shop owned by a homosexual and I ask for a cake with the words: "People should be allowed to refuse service on religious grounds". Would the guy accept? Most likely not. So give religious people the same rights.

    Posted by Max on 15 Oct 2018

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    cookster

    Definitely not!

    Posted by cookster on 15 Oct 2018

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    errolsyd2

    How come everybody but Christians are allowed to stand up for their beliefs?? Yes, any business one owns should be able to follow their beliefs. !" Go bake your own cake and leave others alone.

    Posted by errolsyd2 on 15 Oct 2018

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    Ford88

    definitely not it's rude money is money

    Posted by Ford88 on 15 Oct 2018

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    karen

    No they shouldn't everyone is equal

    Posted by karen on 15 Oct 2018

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    Leelita

    The bakery was not refusing to bake this couple a cake, they just did not want to put the "Support Gay Marriage" sign on the cake. This would have been a hard thing for them to do being devout Christians as it goes completly against their religion. They are not saying they do not like or accept gay people because as Christians they Love the sinner but hate the sin. Even having another employee do the icing is not something they could have done, i suppose they could have offered to bake the cake and ntell the couple to put their own words on it at home?.... Who knows, maybe they did offer that! It would be exactly the same as going into a islamic shop and asking for non halal meat!!!!!.......... And as much as i wish this could happen i KNOW it would NEVER happen and i wouldnt even bother asking muslims for non halal meat.

    Posted by Leelita on 15 Oct 2018

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    Jacqui

    NO NOT AT ALL THAT'S LIKE SAYING YOUR A GIRL YOU CAN'T BY THIS THERE SEXUALALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW MUCH CAUSE WE MAKE THEM FEEL NEGATIVE BECAUSE THEIR GAY COME ON ITS 2018 MOVE WITH THE TIMES PEOPLE I KNOW WE GET SET IN OUR WAYS BUT IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE WHAT ARE WE TEACHING THIS YOUNG GENERATIONS WE SET A GOOD EXAMPLE. TREAT PEOPLE HOW YOU WANT TO BE TREATED Good luck to the bakery hope you don't loose buisNess good way to get your name out there bad from the word go

    Posted by Jacqui on 15 Oct 2018

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    Sharon

    you can't discriminate because you don't like it. That's like me saying I don't want to sell a shirt to an overweight man even though we stock larger sizes because I don't like that he is overweight.

    Posted by Sharon on 15 Oct 2018

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    Sugar Ray

    Prior to recent years where acceptance of LGBT people became paramount, it was the expected norm that 30% of the population was Gay. Since the acceptance of Gay marriage became the usual in most countries (Northern Ireland being one of the abstainers), it seems as though almost every second person you meet is LGBT, so I would say the figure is now closer to 40-45%. So as a business owner, by discriminating against a large portion of your potential customers for any reason would be attune to shooting yourself in the foot (in other words you just wouldn't do it). Having said that, in a largely Catholic area like Northern Ireland and having been in a gay relationship with a man from there who ended up committing suicide because he couldn't deal with the conflict between his faith and the reality that he loved another man, I would expect nothing less from this area.

    Posted by Sugar Ray on 15 Oct 2018

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    vanessa

    i believe everything happens for a reason and we should have our own thoughts and and wats

    Posted by vanessa on 15 Oct 2018

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    anniebee

    No, aren't we trying to stop discrimination and that goes for the religious schools that are trying to prevent gay students and teachers from belonging to their schools. What's happening to the world we're all human why can't people just get along???

    Posted by anniebee on 15 Oct 2018

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    eriberry

    Nope. No chance. Businesses shouldn't discriminate against customers at all. Healthy communities are about people working together and not treating others unfairly just because of how they were born.

    Posted by eriberry on 15 Oct 2018

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    Chucklhead

    We always hear about free speech. What ? No free thoughts and feelings ?? Me, personally, no problems, that doesn't mean that when a person owns a business and its going to go against their feelings that they should be forced to have someone in THEIR yes THEIR business that will take away their happiness in their business and peace of mind, that anyone should MAKE them employ someone they don.t want too.

    Posted by Chucklhead on 14 Oct 2018

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    Chucklhead

    I totally missed the point here. But I still feel the same. I had someone bring in a painting all nazi and nasty looking. I spoke to my framer and she refused to frame it. I took it back to the customers and said , My employee and I do not want to have anything to do with framing your art.

    Posted by Chucklhead on 14 Oct 2018

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    Aussie5

    I have many gay friends, so am not biased against them, but I think perhaps people are missing the point here. The owners were asked to write the words "Support Gay Marriage" on the cake and they disagreed with this on religious grounds. If they had been asked to write "Congratulations", perhaps they might have felt differently and gone ahead and decorated the cake. They are probably not against the Gay community, but against them getting married.

    Posted by Aussie5 on 14 Oct 2018

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    Leelita

    I agree with you, i said something similar.

    Posted by Leelita on 15 Oct 2018

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    eriberry

    If you're going to enter into a business that allows for custom phrases, it shouldn't really matter because it's got nothing to do with your personal views. It's not harming anyone to print something on a cake that endorses a marriage.

    Posted by eriberry on 15 Oct 2018

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    pippot

    Guess we are still living in the dark ages

    Posted by pippot on 14 Oct 2018

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    Teena

    They could make their own cake or find a friend who could. Businesses should be able to refuse anyone they like for their own religious or moral beliefs. Forcing everyone to accept the gay lifestyle is not freedom to us...it's taking away a sense of freedom isn't it?

    Posted by Teena on 14 Oct 2018

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    squeekums1

    No, its simple discrimination I mean where does it stop, refuse to serve black people? Old people? Disabled people

    Posted by squeekums1 on 14 Oct 2018

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    Corky

    They could buy a cake and write on it themselves, no need to get the bakery to write something they dont believe in on religious grounds. Too much of this is pushed in our faces .Nothing against living the way you want to , but they like to make a fuss.

    Posted by Corky on 14 Oct 2018

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    Justeen

    I'm pretty sure any store owner is allowed to refuse giving service to any customer. Like, if some random person walked into a store and the store owner was like "nope, I'm getting bad vibes from you, I don't want to serve you", they have every right not to. I don't see how this is any different

    Posted by Justeen on 13 Oct 2018

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    BeachVballChick

    Does that mean I can refuse to serve religious people because their beliefs are offensive to me?

    Posted by BeachVballChick on 13 Oct 2018

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    fat fat the water rat

    if you want to but how would you know they were religious?

    Posted by fat fat the water rat on 13 Oct 2018

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    squeekums1

    Anyone wearing a cross is deemed christian and refused service but you watch, they would cry discrimination

    Posted by squeekums1 on 14 Oct 2018

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    Dee

    I guess it's up to the Business owner, as they may have strong religious beliefs and attitudes. I believe that regardless of our own personal religious beliefs, we should not judge others. I am also a business owner and I can tell you that Gay peoples money is just as good as heterosexual money, so when your counting the till at the end of the day, you'll be a lot happier that you didn't judge people!

    Posted by Dee on 13 Oct 2018

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    Rwclff74

    No they shouldn't. The only customers any businesses should have the right to refuse are rude , violent or thieving people.

    Posted by Rwclff74 on 13 Oct 2018

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    Glessy

    Every person is covered by the human rights law. That means we are entitled to reject anything anything that we feel is against our beliefe. We need to respect each other and accept that we cannot expect that everything will be the way we want it to be. Glessy

    Posted by Glessy on 13 Oct 2018

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    eriberry

    I disagree. Human rights is based on equal rights of all humans. Discrimination of any sort is not okay. Cake shops are not religious organisations.

    Posted by eriberry on 15 Oct 2018

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    aussieladee

    As much as it stinks of discrimination any business has the right to refuse to serve customers, it may be because to their culture/beliefs which has been used before. I have seen a bns refuse to serve customers if they are talking on their mobile or wearing head covering while paying for goods. I would not agree to refuse service to someone of colour/culture but having said that if they are wearing a full face covering I would refuse to serve.them & that could be a niqab, veil or helmet.

    Posted by aussieladee on 12 Oct 2018

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    lordofthekitchen

    Grow up, it is there business, they can serve whom they wish,I do not serve women wearing masks in my place

    Posted by lordofthekitchen on 12 Oct 2018

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    Juna

    It's unfortunate that some people are very conservative, the gay couple shroud have been served as any member of the community as they have rights like you and I.

    Posted by Juna on 12 Oct 2018

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    fat fat the water rat

    think about what they were asked to do, they were asked to decorate a cake that said support gay marriage, and they don't, so they didn't want to make the cake. wouldn't we all support them if they were asked to decorate a cake that said support Jihad and they refused, it's the same deal

    Posted by fat fat the water rat on 13 Oct 2018

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    zoedog66

    No - this is absolute baloney. But if they happy losing business, it is their funeral. Plenty of businesses out there.

    Posted by zoedog66 on 12 Oct 2018

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    8181

    Can they also refuse service to people of colour? This is pretty sketchy territory and it's a disgrace that people are so ignorant and/or stuck in their ridiculous ways.

    Posted by 8181 on 12 Oct 2018

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    8181

    Also, why are the dimwits of this country so obsessed with following in stride of what is happening in other "certain" countries on a social and political level? It literally starts in U.S.A almost always, then UK, then here. It's entirely predictable at this point. Could it be a certain brand of media is hell bent on diving everyone where it operates? Aboriginal aside, we might as well stop pretending there is any such thing as Australian culture at this point. We have forfeited critical thinking and adopted a hateful at worst or apathetic at best mind set. I think we are done to be honest. We have let people the wrong people remain relevant spouting their ignorant garbage. I hope we don't stain the next generation with this crap.

    Posted by 8181 on 12 Oct 2018

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    zoedog66

    Interesting response. I don't think discrimination should be encouraged. Do I think legislating against it will be effective? No. It will just make situations worse.

    Posted by zoedog66 on 12 Oct 2018

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    Rosemary

    It's their choice, but please remember that ugly word discrimination will get bandied around slot.

    Posted by Rosemary on 12 Oct 2018

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    Sammbo

    Nothing about gay at all ...duh. it turned out to be a political point ... nothing more. Costly cake for the baker.

    Posted by Sammbo on 12 Oct 2018

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    Pedro24

    NO not at all. Grrrrrr. They are humans and should have equal rights

    Posted by Pedro24 on 12 Oct 2018

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    jadron

    Businesses and anyone have the right to refuse service or sales to whoever they see fit as all sorts of demands can be made resulting in reverse discrimination!

    Posted by jadron on 12 Oct 2018

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    A48

    personally I don't have any particular worries with another's gender or preference. Have great friends and workmates who are gay and they don't have 2 heads. If a business wishes to discrimate then it is their lose.

    Posted by A48 on 12 Oct 2018

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    Rainbowc

    A business should have the right to refuse anyone for any reason that doesn't bode well with them. Some of the buddhist bakeries won't do cakes with a cross on it for Christians. What makes this any different? Just go somewhere else, or make it yourself.

    Posted by Rainbowc on 12 Oct 2018

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    whiterpower

    Yes its there Businesses they shoud be able to have and do what they want if a gay person dont like it well go to another cake shop

    Posted by whiterpower on 12 Oct 2018

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    sundancerau

    it is there business, there belief's, and if they don't want to make the cake, well they don't have to , there choose

    Posted by sundancerau on 12 Oct 2018

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    Jannette

    Absolutely every right to refuse a customer in their business.We have to accept thats part of todays world,we dont have to be personal involved in their chose of relationship. I would not expected them to do any religious undertaking for my sake so why would I need to do the cake for their beliefs. The Bakery is not at fault,small town or not.

    Posted by Jannette on 12 Oct 2018

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    Alicia

    Discrimination. If a business and it’s owner/s is willing to discriminate against a person/s as of their sexuality then that is their loss. A business needs customers for funding to thrive so if they’re willing to sacrifice business as of an ignorant view good riddance. I’ll bake the damn cake myself at no charge. I’ll ship it from Australia free of charge as well with insurance and express shipping.

    Posted by Alicia on 12 Oct 2018

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    lord mayor

    O retailer or business have the right to refuse anyone from buying anything in their establishment but it may not be wise to refuse a customer

    Posted by lord mayor on 12 Oct 2018

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    socker

    Definitely not imagine if they refused to serve politicians.

    Posted by socker on 12 Oct 2018

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    Peachylee

    No I think that is against the human rights

    Posted by Peachylee on 12 Oct 2018

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    Aurora

    What is the matter with us?? Gay folks have always been in our communities. These days it is out in the open, back then, it was kept under wraps. But for all that, they are still people, still human beings. We are deliberately ostracising an entire group of humans just because we now know what their preferences are. Who are we to judge? Does not this judging and ostracising of people not tell us we are treading on Our Lords territory? He is the Judge and Jury of us all. Will we be found wanting? As for the "precious" retaillers who will not give any service at all to people who identify as Gay, well, you are in the business to make money, and the money of the Gay Community is just as good as the money of the Heterosexual Community..so seeing that you can afford to turn customers away, are you already making too much money?? Or is your stupid pride the barrier to making your business and inclusive one, and making your business a successful one, no matter the clientele???? This has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with insane prejudice. I have family who identify as Gay, and they are no different to anyone else, and what is more, I love them just as much as I ever did. Please, do remember, they are human!!!

    Posted by Aurora on 12 Oct 2018

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    Bikash

    some community they have not encounter gay culture, many old people still disagree with the concept of gay culture. In my opinion it is fine because the owner is not comfortable because he have mostly grown like most of the culture with heterosexual community. There will always be two side of the story , neither of them are wrong. Gay community is growing but it is still not being , so it is easy for them to get discriminated but things are changing for the gay community and it is going good for them. In the case of small town if he dont have lots of option , he should leave that place to better one. it is nearly impossible to change the mind of society overnight even the law changes.

    Posted by Bikash on 11 Oct 2018

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    stephen

    Yes. Homosexual people have rights and if that is the way they are so be it. However so does the non homosexual majority and they have a right to be respected as well. It is a two way thing, no pun intended, and just as heterosexual people need to show tolerance to homosexual people it needs to be reciprocated.

    Posted by stephen on 11 Oct 2018

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    Marlene

    I support gay marriage and equality. If this business owner advertises his opposition to gays,then it gives us all the awareness not to support him.

    Posted by Marlene on 11 Oct 2018

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    jeollie

    I think it's NOT at all ok to say no to any customer, whether they are blue, black, purple, gay, straight, religious or non religious!! I feel this comes down to religion not business!! Why on earth would you not take a sale, no matter what it is.. I've never been a supporter of any sort of discrimination, but I think the bakery in question is very discriminatory!! I never thought the gay community would ever mean much to me and it still really doesn't!! Even though my daughter is gay. She was a very troubled teenager and when she 'come out' (stupid saying really) and told the world "I prefer chicks, get over it", she was a totally different & very happy adult. She lives a life like anyone else and if you didn't know, you'd never pick that she is gay. Her and her partner are getting married later this year and they deserve to me happy, just like you and I!!

    Posted by jeollie on 11 Oct 2018

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    John

    evertbody has a right to refuse and every body has a right to question

    Posted by John on 11 Oct 2018

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    John

    All people gay ,black,white,brindle of all colors and all types of bodies disabled and humans are entitled to all services and retail of all descriptions as long sa they are not threatening to harm any one are entitled to service with no discrimination of any type we are all human beings with red blood in our veins and are all earthlings living on planet earth .

    Posted by John on 11 Oct 2018

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    Beth17

    Business owners have rights too. They have the right to refuse anyone entry to their premises, and/or to serve them in their premises.

    Posted by Beth17 on 11 Oct 2018

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    mooo

    Yes a business has the freedom to do that but I don't understand why they would want to.

    Posted by mooo on 11 Oct 2018

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    Jennifer

    All people, regardless of genter, race, sexuality, religion etc, deserve to be treated with respect. It's just a cake... And a financial transaction

    Posted by Jennifer on 11 Oct 2018

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    Captain Nightowl

    If you own a business Its your choice on who you serve

    Posted by Captain Nightowl on 11 Oct 2018

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    Not_A_DoDo

    THIS IS OLD NEWS and comments made by many who have no idea. When you own a business you can refuse service to anyone, drunk, abusive, etc et. So according to most of the comments.... I CAN come to your house and demand you allow me to stay in your bedroom, make a mess, and take away your choice.... becaue that is what you are saying. GAYS have rights but everyone else doesn. GRFU..... you sound like a bunch of snotty nosed ignorant uneducated moronic imbeciles.. NOW go find a safe space and cry THIS iS THE GARBAGE the fill peoples lives when you bring SEX out onto the MAIN STREET.... Every has the right to say YES or NO, and no other person has the right to invade your property and tell you different. GROW UP CHILDREN OR YOUR LIFE WILL BE HELL.

    Posted by Not_A_DoDo on 11 Oct 2018

  • [2] [3]
    Mazza1995

    I think everyone deserves to be treated the same with no discrimination. And I honestly support people taking a stand for the LGBT community it's great.

    Posted by Mazza1995 on 11 Oct 2018

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    nige

    No everyone should be treated equally with no discrimination

    Posted by nige on 11 Oct 2018

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    Joel

    No, gay couples should have all the same rites that and straight couples do. Saying no to to them is like saying no to someone because of their race, religion, hair or eye color. It makes me sick. This world we live in is full of hate and hatemongers. They are what is wrong with society.

    Posted by Joel on 11 Oct 2018

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    Gandalf1

    This is old news now sorry, but all the same, it is relevant. No it is NOT okay for any business to refuse custom from anyone because of their sexuality, and this has happened to me recently as well. The business concerned used the religous beliefs to say they would not do the work I wanted done, so I went to consumer affairs, and we are still waiting for the results. In my town, there are no other options for the service I needed, so we had to use this company, as the online options were not practicle, and other than that we were supporting a local business, or so we thought. Needless to say, we have put the word around the town about this business, and we hope they get the message, and stop being religous zealots and bigots. My money is just as good as the next persons. So it's the business's loss in my opinion. Funny thing though, if I hadn't said we were gay, she would have accepted the work. LOL

    Posted by Gandalf1 on 11 Oct 2018

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    Not_A_DoDo

    Gandalf1 HOPE your learnt a lesson, DONT BRING SEX ONTO THE STREET... ARE YOU INSANE.. you are a disgrace to the homosexual society.. shoot I dont have peope coming into my store and telling me their sex orientation, why did you feel the need to do so????

    Posted by Not_A_DoDo on 11 Oct 2018

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    Chucklhead

    sometimes its very obvious they are gay and they want it to be noticed. I've never had a problem with them and usually find them very colourful people. I did make a choice to refuse my framing service though to, two men who wanted nazi painting done by my framer. we both didnt want to do it. yes, i lost a lucrative sale but I did have peace of mind with my choice.

    Posted by Chucklhead on 14 Oct 2018

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    Gandalf1

    sounds to me like someone might be a homophobe...The business owner happens to be a web design company, and when she noted a couple of same sex fields that are required for the particular website, no not a porn site as you might like to suggest, and as I was with my partner, and as we are known to be gay, and due to the fact that she asked if we were gay ....what would you have said ? No, we's straight? Yeh right. As for bringing sex onto the street, what a lot of crap, we are people first, our sexuality doesn't come into the street as you suggest the gay population does. It might in the large cities like Sydney, Melbourne, London etc., but in a small mining town, yeh right...I don't think so !!

    Posted by Gandalf1 on 12 Oct 2018

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    Melain

    Crikey! What difference does it make? How do you know a Catholic priest isn't buying a cake to seduce a child?

    Posted by Melain on 11 Oct 2018

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    yafffy

    Absolutely! It is a human right to not be pushed to accept everything.

    Posted by yafffy on 11 Oct 2018

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    ere

    Why should gays expect to have more rights than straights? If I owned a bakery, or any other store I reserve the right to run it any way I see fit. If it's against my beliefs I would refuse to cede to a customer's requests.

    Posted by ere on 11 Oct 2018

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