Should Australia Implement a Social Credit System?


By 2020 in China people will be rewarded for good behaviour like donating blood and volunteering with reduce fares and faster internet whereas people who behave dishonestly by say, not paying a parking fine will be disciplined with reduced access to public transport and restricted plane ticket options. It might sound too futuristic to believe, but it’s happening. In theory the idea is that eventually, people will choose not to behave badly, and petty crimes will be a thing of the past. LiveTribers, do you think Australia would benefit from a similar system?

Posted by on 17 Jun 2019

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    alderwick

    yes its a real good idea i think it would make people think twice before doing wrong , being rewarded for good behaviour is great idea it would encourage people to behaviour especially if they are rewarded for it bring it in in Australia

    Posted by alderwick on 23 Jun 2019

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    Roger

    Sounds a better deal than being punished for bad behaviour

    Posted by Roger on 23 Jun 2019

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    Corkwhit

    The current system we use doesn't work, so why not try it?

    Posted by Corkwhit on 23 Jun 2019

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    Inez

    yes. maybe then kids will go to school AFTER eating breakfast

    Posted by Inez on 23 Jun 2019

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    Trevor

    Australian courts don't even implement appropriate sentences now they continue to let bail offenders and thugs off lightly with piss poor excuses like i had a bad childhood boo hoo so why waste more taxpayers money. Its pretty evident with the system the offenders are treated better than the victim and why dont they deport these so called assyum seekers who commit crimes

    Posted by Trevor on 23 Jun 2019

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    8181

    Why not just move to China if you want this system instead of putting the rest of us through this authoritarian bs??? Serious question.

    Posted by 8181 on 23 Jun 2019

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    Alosio

    Yes think Australia

    Posted by Alosio on 23 Jun 2019

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    Alosio

    I don’t think

    Posted by Alosio on 23 Jun 2019

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    svengali52

    I've been with PayPal for almo

    Posted by svengali52 on 23 Jun 2019

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    Lisa

    Please...crime will always happen it will not change,they change to ( where there's a Will,theres a way ,if a criminal want's to beat the system they'll find a way through ,I've seen it myself ( first handed ,but I've grown out of my old habits also ,so it just goes to show,that people who want to change,can change !!

    Posted by Lisa on 23 Jun 2019

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    Jezza

    China will eventually own Australia, so I think we should wait for them to implement that system after they take us over!

    Posted by Jezza on 23 Jun 2019

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    Fuckoffthen

    I know many of perths petty criminals and i can tell u that if u do things like restrict their access to trains and busses to penalize them then they will escalate to things like stealing vehicles or riding illegal motocross bikes or driving unregistered vehicles, so if that is what the government are hoping to see as a result then expect all sorts of crimes to increase.

    Posted by Fuckoffthen on 23 Jun 2019

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    Kassara

    Yes but should be Also things like parents that don't pay child support etc

    Posted by Kassara on 23 Jun 2019

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    Natasha

    Absolutely not. It is a ridiculous idea. People should never be judged by social integrity!

    Posted by Natasha on 22 Jun 2019

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    Denise

    Yes I do it's not very nice being poor

    Posted by Denise on 22 Jun 2019

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    dadh01

    It's about time the socially responsible people were rewarded for acting resposably and those that Don, t pay the price especially grafity scumbags who do so much damage and then hide when caught.

    Posted by dadh01 on 22 Jun 2019

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    mairs

    Not too sure about this, It seems like another take over from the government.

    Posted by mairs on 22 Jun 2019

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    Liz

    It seems a bit "Big Brother" to me - Think 1984

    Posted by Liz on 22 Jun 2019

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    WOZZAROO

    AND ON THE MATTER AT HAND ,ANY GOVERNMENT OR SOCIAL BENEFITS SHOULD BE EARNED BY ANY INDIVIDUALS, NOT JUST HANDED OUT WILLY NILLY

    Posted by WOZZAROO on 21 Jun 2019

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    WOZZAROO

    I ALWAYS THINK THAT ALL AUSTRALIAN CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE SOME PHOTO ID IN THEIR WALLET, PURSE AT ALL TIMES ,AND IT SHOULD BE PRODUCED IF AND WHEN REQUIRED.

    Posted by WOZZAROO on 21 Jun 2019

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    maria

    i HAVE A LICENCE

    Posted by maria on 22 Jun 2019

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    zoedog66

    No bad reflection on the Chinese, but if people need such incentives to behave well, what hope does the human race have? I find this a little alarming. If people are brought up not knowing right from wrong, are they to be penalised for that? Too much could go wrong with this. No thanks!

    Posted by zoedog66 on 21 Jun 2019

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    maria

    Mummy government

    Posted by maria on 22 Jun 2019

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    Doubleego

    Just returned from China and it shows how a country can pull itself out of poverty if everyone pulls together. Their trains make out look like something out of the thirties. Everyone looks fed and dresses well and it all works, even the millions of cars on the road. Many of their people lived in poverty in caves 50 years ago. They may have to keep their thoughts to themselves but they now live well and can afford leisure time. Why not reward good behaviour?

    Posted by Doubleego on 21 Jun 2019

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    bear crusher

    Hi, next time you go to China go out past the cities and try to get into the death camps where anyone who is found to be a "criminal" gets to have their organs "voluntarily donated" to help these well fed city people who can afford to pay for a transplant. The world health organisation has identified 15 of these places in China.

    Posted by bear crusher on 24 Jun 2019

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    Ulysses

    In caves 50 years ago ... REALLY ? How old are you, I suspect young .... 30 years old or less. This is one of the oldest civilizations on earth, it's a very long time since they were troglodytes. They have bought us really cool stuff, like acupuncture, and Chinese medicine, both go WAYYYYYYYY back into the mists of time. They sometimes haven't had the best governments ... but who has? Have you heard of the Ming Dynasty? Also Marco Polo's travels .....he wasn't Chinese, he jumped on a horse or donkey from Europe & rode West for ages & discovered the East, (China etc.) & found out how good it was.

    Posted by Ulysses on 21 Jun 2019

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    Debbie

    It's their country their decision

    Posted by Debbie on 21 Jun 2019

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    Jeannine

    Interesting concept but we are not like China in many ways so does not necessarily agree with Australia’s systems and democracy.

    Posted by Jeannine on 21 Jun 2019

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    senilesal

    Doing good things there are plenty of us that do things in our community that saves money. Like volunteer and a lot of them are senior citizens or pensioners I help out at a few places me money if the government had to pay for these services provided by the army of older folk it would cost a motza I help at the local school had to get a working with children card. I also take a blind guy go shopping I actually think and know this comes at a cost to the volunteers many of whom are on a fixed income. Pensioners are made to feel like parasites by the public and government. Social credit sounds like a good idea but it needs to be some form of monitary reward. Say at the end of they year for those that do say 500/1000 hours of volunteer work a year get. A bonus 500/1000 dollars in their pension as a bonus but to need to have been doing it long term say 5 plus years. Being deaf. Myself. It has made life very hard. But I am fit for my age because swim I don't work. Gave up looking for paid employment to depressing. Instead I help out where I can my husband had polio as a child and now has some serious mobility problems. I also care for him I don't get a pension for that he has his aged one and we live on that. Quite frugally no luxury trying to get any help these days is just too hard makes me angry really. He did his thing for the country served. In the army. There actually needs to be a social credit from the government they make it so hard for everyone else but them selves

    Posted by senilesal on 21 Jun 2019

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    Charmaine

    Fantastic idea about the rewards!! Not so sure about the punishment though as 'fairness' would be difficult to measure and potentially corruptable...maybe just missing out on the potential benefits would be punishment enough.

    Posted by Charmaine on 21 Jun 2019

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    8181

    There are no real rewards. You deserve freedom in the first place.

    Posted by 8181 on 21 Jun 2019

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    zoedog66

    100% agreed - if you read novels like '1984' and 'Brave New World' you realise that these forms of governmental social control are potentially very dangerous and odious.

    Posted by zoedog66 on 21 Jun 2019

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    Likeable

    Fantastic Idea !!!

    Posted by Likeable on 21 Jun 2019

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    yerfdogau

    Can we trust the Aussie government? they only seem to be interested in their own gains ( both parties) what about the "good people" who can no longer donate blood, ( I am in that category) yes, I do still volunteer, but no longer in high profile emergency services. I think the scheme would be a nightmare to administer

    Posted by yerfdogau on 20 Jun 2019

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    Szilvia

    People hate missing out on good stuff so it would definitely encourage them to do the right thing unless of course you. An have it all through loopholes!

    Posted by Szilvia on 20 Jun 2019

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    terry

    no it wo'nt work.

    Posted by terry on 20 Jun 2019

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    Horn

    Terry ,I agree ! What a load of rubbish ,people should not need a reward to do the right things . Most people do anyway and this system is ridiculous .

    Posted by Horn on 21 Jun 2019

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    Aileen

    Please don’t let us become a government regulated society like China.

    Posted by Aileen on 20 Jun 2019

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    A. Cina

    Imagine if someone with dementia were to not pay their fine and then all this inferior treatment was given to them. People in bad situations can never catch up if they are not helped. I think that if you are going to start a morality tax then you can throw away Christianity. Oh but that's what China has done, haven't they??? I don't really follow.

    Posted by A. Cina on 20 Jun 2019

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    The

    INo, I don't agree with it, just as Imelda

    Posted by The on 20 Jun 2019

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    Nowis

    Well, it’s already happening at AFL matches. How well is that working?

    Posted by Nowis on 20 Jun 2019

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    Imelda

    No I don’t agree with that because it becomes discriminatory and sometimes you can be victimised

    Posted by Imelda on 20 Jun 2019

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    marli

    I don't like the idea of this. I can see innocent people being victimised and crooks evading the consequences. I don't have any faith in the Chinese Law system now, so I can't think it will change for the betterment of the majority of the population.

    Posted by marli on 19 Jun 2019

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    CDR

    You would want to be careful though. If you get someone who is vindictive, they could report you for wrongdoing, and you might find yourself on trial for something you didn't do.

    Posted by CDR on 19 Jun 2019

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    isaac

    Perhaps the most bone thrillingly scary part of all this is that we are actually talking about the idea it could happen if it does it can only lead down a very dark artificial country.

    Posted by isaac on 19 Jun 2019

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    Poppy

    No, absolutely not! A Black Mirror episode dealt with just that, and I was shocked to learn that this was a reality for China. As far as I, and many others are concerned, a social merit system can stay in the realms of fantasy for the West. Dystopian nightmare.

    Posted by Poppy on 19 Jun 2019

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    monica

    absolutely not. They lose points in China for buying pointless things or spending too much time on video games and ridiculous things - who's to say what i buy is frivolous. its very controlling.

    Posted by monica on 19 Jun 2019

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    Natural

    Sounds great

    Posted by Natural on 19 Jun 2019

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    Cornelis

    In China the Government is terrified that the masses are too well educated on how the west lives. Being someone who travels to China, on business, regularly the Government is everywhere. People are becoming more vocal but step out of line and you become non existent. The people in the main are fed propaganda about the west about how much we hate the Chinese and that everything the Government does is for their protection. Yeah right!! Only last week I had a business person call me out for my country opposing China Policies. So now the Government is going to embarrass business people by making them discuss politics when all we want to do is support their economy. My tip is that in 10 years or less there will be a major uprising in that Country. It will be bloody and there will be mass deaths but China has to change. Look at what is happening in Hong Kong. The people are beginning to understand that mass rallies and voices of reason do get a positive outcome. Although in the case of China the military will just open fire and kill. Tianman Square massacre is just an example of what they are capable of. Total control is their mantra.

    Posted by Cornelis on 19 Jun 2019

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    Bradley

    I believe it should be given to those who have problems with there govement payments when paying bills and buying food

    Posted by Bradley on 19 Jun 2019

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    Morgan

    In some ways yes but we need to add our own ideas as well

    Posted by Morgan on 19 Jun 2019

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    Jessamee

    Yes face consequences something not many do

    Posted by Jessamee on 19 Jun 2019

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    squeekums1

    hell no what a dodgy scheme its one step into full control and threats of "if you dont do xyz" Like me, i have a needle phobia, i cant even have blood drawn for my own health let alone to donate, why should i be punished? Some are physically unable to volunteer for instance, why should they be punished? What if they deem supporting a certain political party is punishable?

    Posted by squeekums1 on 19 Jun 2019

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    musicveg

    No it is just more invasion of our lives, when is it going to stop. We do not need anymore big brother watching schemes we need more education, help for the disadvantaged, better justice system, and better health options. Getting a bit sick of losing our democratic rights just because a small percentage of people do the wrong thing. It is the fault of the lack of police and justice system letting people off too lightly.

    Posted by musicveg on 18 Jun 2019

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    BerryBear

    No this is not productive

    Posted by BerryBear on 18 Jun 2019

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    Karel

    Lovely idea. "Great leap social revolution!" Never enough. I was born and lived more than 40 years behind barb-wire fences. I was enjoying there plenty of such exceptional forms of public entertainment, particularly during 12 (1+11) years in concentration camps. Those incentives never got through, but every form of punishments for every nothing were ever-present. Even now seeing uniform makes me shiver. Fortunately, I still can calm me down thinking "Easy man, you're in Australia, these aren't going for you ..." Communist were often proclaiming their objectives of society improvements (some similar to this one). There was common reaction to it: "You can't scare me, I got cancer." Similarly, I hope that before implementing such and similar improvements in Australia, I'll be happily resting 6' underground.

    Posted by Karel on 18 Jun 2019

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    Ulysses

    Karel, wow .... I have never personally seen any sort of post from a refugee ... I cannot even begin to imagine how your life was. It would be interesting to talk to you some more. I think I agree with you on this topic.

    Posted by Ulysses on 18 Jun 2019

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    Karel

    Ulysses, please, don't be mistaken, I am not a refugee. I migrated as an independent professional and that bloody regime over there back collapsed itself. I can't care less about that back there. I was simply born in that s*** and survived (sane???, perhaps). Maybe I have just wider experience because of that. (I could be same happy without.) Life is nice and I enjoy.

    Posted by Karel on 19 Jun 2019

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    Kitty000

    Definitely not! This smacks of George Orwell's 1984. Do we really want to go down this road? Australia already is racing to towards a totalitarian police state.

    Posted by Kitty000 on 18 Jun 2019

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    Ulysses

    I agree totally Kitty ... I think you've had a little typo though. I think George Orwell was 1894 .... not 1984.

    Posted by Ulysses on 18 Jun 2019

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    Ulysses

    I take that back. You are right on George Orwell. OOOPS Apologies.

    Posted by Ulysses on 18 Jun 2019

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    Kitty000

    'lol' no problems

    Posted by Kitty000 on 29 Jun 2019

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    CDR

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

    Posted by CDR on 19 Jun 2019

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    EroView

    I'm for more Autonomy and Decentralization. Not Authoritarian Oligarchy. This Social Credit Idea is 'Big Brother' but worse. Watch n Read George Orwell 1984. I wish you all well. :)

    Posted by EroView on 18 Jun 2019

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    EroView

    No. It is a Terrible Idea and can be used to violate Human Rights.

    Posted by EroView on 18 Jun 2019

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    algemyone

    I like the idea of rewarding goodness to try to change people's behaviour. Perhaps it would work better by itself, with punishment for badness left to the legal system

    Posted by algemyone on 18 Jun 2019

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    Jessie

    I am keen on the idea. The theory is there and would eventually make a change people's behaviour

    Posted by Jessie on 18 Jun 2019

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    Nola

    Wow! That's harsh!!

    Posted by Nola on 17 Jun 2019

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    Nola

    Wow, that's harsh

    Posted by Nola on 17 Jun 2019

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    8181

    I'm astonished at some of the comments. This has nothing to do with honesty. How about basic human rights being violated? Absolutely everybody makes mistakes at some stage and people don't even agree with certain laws that people in suits and made up titles come up with. What do you say to them? Why are people who give themselves titles fit to tell you how to live your life in the first place? If you're content with being watched 24/7, almost every aspect of your life and judged by it then let me come and watch you and snoop through your digital footprint. Would you? The point is I wouldn't because I don't have the right to snoop into your life. It is yours. Expect full blown riots if the government here tries to openly put this into play because people are absolutely fed up with idiots telling them how to live their only life. The boogyman isn't under your bed. There are not bad people at every corner. There are psychopaths who want to control you for their own gain, keeping you down in order to keep themselves up. It's not even a conspiracy, it's out in the open and it would do people a world of good to have a decent think about the way things really are in this world.

    Posted by 8181 on 17 Jun 2019

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    Kitty000

    Agree 100% with you. There are psychopaths, and yes, they do run this world, but people haven't woken up

    Posted by Kitty000 on 18 Jun 2019

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    EroView

    Hear-Hear, 8181 Preaching Truth. I could not have said it better. I Agree with 8181's Position.

    Posted by EroView on 18 Jun 2019

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    errolsyd2

    We do not need communist china's ideas in Australia. NO Way.

    Posted by errolsyd2 on 17 Jun 2019

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    police man

    we should use this concept in Australia

    Posted by police man on 17 Jun 2019

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    Four

    It sounds like a great idea, it would mainly be the Dishonest that would not like the idea.

    Posted by Four on 17 Jun 2019

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    Ulysses

    I hate the idea. I am honest, and old. It is a gradual degradation of freedom ... before you know it, they will be watching you enter a toilet. If you read this, would you be ok with telling me your age. I am 56.

    Posted by Ulysses on 17 Jun 2019

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    Nowis

    56 is not old. 85 is old. I am 71 and not old. Mature - maybe.

    Posted by Nowis on 20 Jun 2019

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    EroView

    I am 31. :)

    Posted by EroView on 18 Jun 2019

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    Loreen

    I love it , because I have nothing to fear in the implementation of this system.

    Posted by Loreen on 17 Jun 2019

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    David

    Australia is not a communist country, you can not change people behavior by these bribes, you just cause them to live a lie. It is like exams at school or uni, where you answer to pass the exam, not the true answer, but that does not change the truth.

    Posted by David on 17 Jun 2019

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    Not_A_DoDo

    Sorry David, but if you think Australia is not Communist, better have a better look.... We used to be a democracy until USA turned us into a socialist country around the time they removed Whitlam, and we been take over by Yewish socialism/Bolshevickism or Communism, take a name they are all the same thing.... Australia stopped being a democracy years ago

    Posted by Not_A_DoDo on 17 Jun 2019

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    Ulysses

    How old are you DoDo? I am genuinely asking, not trying to be a smarty pants or anything.

    Posted by Ulysses on 17 Jun 2019

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    Ross

    You have got to be kidding....that is "big brother" watching you every move!!!

    Posted by Ross on 17 Jun 2019

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    Ross

    Just to add a bit more to my above comment...My concern is with privacy (or lack of privacy). As we are look at China moving towards a social credit system, one where every part of a person’s life is integrated and then gives them a social score. This is moving towards a more centralized system, with a monitored internet. A society not completely dissimilar from George Orwell’s 1984 dystopia.

    Posted by Ross on 18 Jun 2019

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    EroView

    1984, but more invasive :-D lol

    Posted by EroView on 18 Jun 2019

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    mishaman65

    I believe that this system would be great for Australia and if we could start this plan tomorrow I would love it. Give/reward people who are honest and do good things like helping others and then punish those who do wrong by giving them "No travel on anything", not allowed in sports games and make them realise that if you do wrong then your life will be really tough. Lets start this plan ASAP.

    Posted by mishaman65 on 17 Jun 2019

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    Kitty000

    So who determines which of us are honest or not?

    Posted by Kitty000 on 18 Jun 2019

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    EroView

    Honestly that is Tyrannical. You seem like a wee-dictator to me. I'm for more Autonomy and Decentralization. Not Authoritarian Oligarchy.

    Posted by EroView on 18 Jun 2019

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