Is It Wrong To Take Away Someone's Citizenship?


Last week Shamima Begum was stripped off her British citizenship after she left the UK to join ISIS in Syria as a 15-year-old. She’s not the first person to lose their citizenship after joining the terrorist organization but Begum claims she was merely a housewife and didn’t take part in any of the atrocities ISIS is known for. The UK government claimed they were within their rights to do this because they believed Begum was a dual citizenship of Bangladesh, however the Bangladeshi government says she will not be allowed to enter the country. This essentially leaves Begum stateless. Should people be able to lose their citizenship? Or should Begum be shown leniency given her young age? What are your thoughts LiveTribers?

Posted by on 25 Feb 2019

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    Caroline

    Citizenship is not a right it an honour. You have your citizenship If someone does the wrong thing eg break the law their should lose their citizenship

    Posted by Caroline on 17 Mar 2019

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    Noshaz

    I believe Shamima Begum should be allowed home, her status adapted to her choice to leave. First, no voting rights and second she needs to answer for her choice and actions. She may need phychiatric or phychological assistance. Why? Because she was a child, she was groomed by a successful terrorist organisation that did not only fool her but hundreds throughout the world. This woman as many others had already paid a high price by the death of her children, anyone who has lost one child grieves for a lifetime, any who have not lost a child to death have no idea the depth of suffering. She may or may not be of further threat to her home country; two things I am confident of, she had suffered a great deal to return home the same as she left and the second is that our systems let her and others like her vulnerable and able to physically join up with the terrorists. Where was our protection to the weak. Possibly our compassion, coupled with her suffering, maybe what is needed to help her redress her views. She maybe someone who will save other young women from similar fates.

    Posted by Noshaz on 14 Mar 2019

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    Likeable

    This is only 1 of many cases like this.  I feel sorry for her as she was only 15 when she left the UK in 2015.  Her baby has now died.  However I know it is hard but I feel she defaulted the right to be a citizen of a country.  The lady I saw recently was a young woman from France who had come with her mother and wanted to go home.  For these people that have no choice (e.g. parent has the chose) I feel they have right.

    Posted by Likeable on 11 Mar 2019

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    Pauline

    her age should be taken into consideration ..she is a child ..like all children these days they think they are adults and are at risk of manipulation and grooming for what ever ends ...we are only leaving these pp lopen to more manipulation ...

    Posted by Pauline on 05 Mar 2019

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    Layla

    Yes, she should of been stripped of her citizenship. She is apart of a group that has set out to kill hundreds of people and as a country we did the right thing

    Posted by Layla on 04 Mar 2019

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    Lisa

    Consider this: she joined a terrorist group who have invaded countries, who have down these countries heritage, their economy and have killed their citizens, ARE YOU SAYING that these countries should also take over the burden of supporting the women and children of their former enemies, and share their meager resources just because we western have raised a spoiled little brat who believes that she can get away with what she did, Send her home and punish her according to her home government legislation regarding terrorism. Countries that have been affected by ISIS should endure the abuse.

    Posted by Lisa on 04 Mar 2019

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    charkoale

    About time the government got tough, she left and joined a terrorist group... she made her bed now let her lay in it ... they should do this alot more often, good that she got stripped .. i have no sympathy

    Posted by charkoale on 04 Mar 2019

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    Ivan

    Only if the person is causing trouble of various kinds to the public and a threat to the public. They must be responsible for their actions.

    Posted by Ivan on 03 Mar 2019

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    Murray

    It's a big decision. Many of us at the age of 15 probably did many things that that would never do as an adult. She should be allowed to return but under strict conditions and mentoring . Give her a chance but if she creates issues she could become stateless. Then what happens I don't know but you would hope she becomes a model parent and citizen.

    Posted by Murray on 03 Mar 2019

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    Darren

    I agree in this instance, However I don't agree with current policies regarding SOME other cases like people from NZ or elsewhere that have been here from an early age and have no connections to the country they are deported too.

    Posted by Darren on 03 Mar 2019

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    Jannette

    Yes people should lose their citizenship,young age wasn't a reason when she decide to leave the UK.So young age is not an excuse to be shown Leniency You don't desert your country for a terrorist group of any sort.

    Posted by Jannette on 03 Mar 2019

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    William

    Strip her of her citizenship if she has in any way joined ISIS as it is her choice

    Posted by William on 03 Mar 2019

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    Melissa

    Take her citizenship! She made the decision to join a terrorist group, unfortunately for her this is the consequence. More countries /Governments need to do the same. She can go back to Syria and live under Sharia Law.

    Posted by Melissa on 03 Mar 2019

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    Ian1

    It depends on the circumstances. In this case, she chose to join the enemies of her own country, Britain, and assisted in fighting in her own way by giving aid and comfort to the ISIS group.. This is treason which she is guilty of.

    Posted by Ian1 on 03 Mar 2019

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    caperteewaratah

    Why should we care about terrorists and their supporters - look at what they do. They promote and take part in - murder, rape, enslavement, paedophilia, ruination of lives leaving children and families scarred mentally and physically, their homes and country ruined. Why is this even a debate when the evil she and her cohorts have perpetrated? How could she be trusted, of course she would be pregnant and has little children - she is using that and her family as lever. Let her family bring up the kids and she can be gone. She is not even sorrowful over what has been done, no sorrow, no forgiveness for her warped evil ideas. No pity for her whatsoever and it makes me wonder what sort of family she came out of to even contemplate joining an evil organisation. What sorrow did she feel at a man being burnt to death in a cage, women captured tortured raped continually, then beheaded. The death penalty for their crimes against humanity and decency, they do not deserve to live or us have to keep them, they are not decent human beings. Think about the things these warped people have done and then think do you want them back. There is no coming back on what she has been involved with.

    Posted by caperteewaratah on 03 Mar 2019

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    Horn

    No , leave all the crap behind , live by the law of the new country , in which you take up citizenship ,If you don't want to do that , then you should be thrown out . And while we are at it we have enough rubbish living in our country who are generational that it would be nice to see the back of as well .

    Posted by Horn on 03 Mar 2019

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    Eileen

    At 15 she is regarded as an adult in Sharia Law and that is what she chose. She made that decision and cannot turn round afterwards and say -: "Oh I was wrong."

    Posted by Eileen on 03 Mar 2019

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    Tonyporritt

    No. If they don't support the country they live in, then they should go to somewhere that they can support.

    Posted by Tonyporritt on 03 Mar 2019

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    Mrinmoy

    yes, if your activities against the country and its people. Government should take off his/her citizenship. it,s not wrong.

    Posted by Mrinmoy on 02 Mar 2019

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    Barry

    No anyone who leaves their country to join a foreign terrorist activity is turning their back on their country and its laws. They are then no longer a citizen and lose their rights.

    Posted by Barry on 02 Mar 2019

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    Lisa

    While I agree with all the other posts: about stripping someone of their citizenship because they had joined a terrorist group, my biggest concern however, is that vulnerable impressionable people like Shamina will become harden my her experience. This total alienating of Shamina may create a monster and reaffirm the lies that ISIS has been brain washing her with. ISIS used social media to spread its propaganda and Shamina bought into that propaganda, now it is time for her country to make a stand and take her back and institutionalize her so that she can be reform. Otherwise the abandon wives and children of the ISIS fighters will hybridise into a super hate group against all things western.

    Posted by Lisa on 02 Mar 2019

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    Eileen

    They have now been indoctrinated and educated by the terrorists they joined. She is probably being put up like this to return and subvert other gullible girls and young men back in the UK .

    Posted by Eileen on 03 Mar 2019

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    jaswinder

    it should be stripped off.it is very important to think about other citizens too

    Posted by jaswinder on 02 Mar 2019

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    Paula

    If you ate granted citizenship of a country and you join a terrorist organisation you should be stripped of citizenship no matter what your age.

    Posted by Paula on 02 Mar 2019

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    Milan

    Yes it is It’s completely wrong to take away someone’s property

    Posted by Milan on 02 Mar 2019

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    musicveg

    Even though Shamina was very young she was known to incite violence and did pay a big part of promoting ISIS to other young women. This is a crime and should be treated as such. If you have committed a crime against your country than you should be punished, if these means stripping them of citizenship and that is the law then it needs to be done. Also Shamina is currently pregnant so obviously she was recently in relationship with and ISIS man.

    Posted by musicveg on 02 Mar 2019

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    Paula

    If you can't obey the laws of a country or be a good citizen then you don't deserve to live there. It's no different to joining a club. If you don't obey the rules they bar you. Really, why would you want to live in a place that has laws you don't care for or respect?

    Posted by Paula on 01 Mar 2019

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    snakelady

    No its not wrong If you do something wrong then you deserve to have your citizenship taken away

    Posted by snakelady on 01 Mar 2019

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    Prashant

    Nope. It's a crime

    Posted by Prashant on 01 Mar 2019

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    Prashant

    N9ooppoooooo

    Posted by Prashant on 01 Mar 2019

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    Prashant

    No way.its a crime

    Posted by Prashant on 01 Mar 2019

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    Prashant

    Last andñnnnoooooooooooo

    Posted by Prashant on 01 Mar 2019

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    socker

    If your are born in a country that is you where your citizenship originates from and by international law cannot legally be removed to leave you stateless

    Posted by socker on 01 Mar 2019

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    jadron

    No they must face the consequences of their decisions that includes any children!

    Posted by jadron on 01 Mar 2019

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    Chrysler

    If the person has done something wrong.an could cause harm to citizens.yes bar them remove there right to live in that country

    Posted by Chrysler on 01 Mar 2019

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    Bigboyburra

    If you come from another country to be excepted as a new Australian ? You should accept all Australian rules ,and if the rules are not adhered to ?then the rules that are currently used to remove a person's citizenship should apply to a naughty person .

    Posted by Bigboyburra on 01 Mar 2019

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    dreamweaver-No 1

    Having any association to any form of terrorism is not condoned so there for they loose the right to have citizenship even via association. It is the same as being Accessory to the fact.

    Posted by dreamweaver-No 1 on 01 Mar 2019

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    Tricky Dickie

    Strip her as she isinvolved in a terrorist organization or the like.

    Posted by Tricky Dickie on 01 Mar 2019

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    flowerpot

    Yes, I think so if it is not normal, so to do what they did. Zero tolerance.

    Posted by flowerpot on 01 Mar 2019

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    Linda

    Yes I think that anyone who has anything to do with a terrorist group should lose their citizenship

    Posted by Linda on 01 Mar 2019

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    SILAR4123

    I saw this young girls interview.very sad.she thinks killing anyone who's not islamic is normal.beheadings are great.killing for god is good.imagine her walking our streets.strip her of citizenship.

    Posted by SILAR4123 on 28 Feb 2019

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    Lorna

    After all the deaths we have had due to Isis and other know parties.. Australia has the right to cease citizenship if they think the person in question is a threat

    Posted by Lorna on 28 Feb 2019

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    Robyn

    depends what they have done

    Posted by Robyn on 28 Feb 2019

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    joeseph

    no it.s not wrong to strip the citizen ship of a person who go,s to fight ,support, raise money for these organisations weather they are dual citizens or not, let them stay and take the consequences of there actions

    Posted by joeseph on 28 Feb 2019

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    Rachel

    As with anything, decisions have consequences. If those consequences are being stripped of citizenship then so be it. It is a gift, not a right.

    Posted by Rachel on 28 Feb 2019

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    pjohnw

    No , it is not wrong , she made the choice to join a bunch of murderous thugs , now she can live with it ,if she was from my country i would not want her back , the UK made the right call for their citizens.

    Posted by pjohnw on 27 Feb 2019

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    Yo pinion

    She was very young and the circumstances of her life and what she has been involved in need to be checked. I don't know the consequences of being stripped of citizenship but if repatriated to the UK she may be able to advocate against terrorism using stories from her own experience.

    Posted by Yo pinion on 27 Feb 2019

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    Rossconsult

    If you break the Federal laws of your home or adopted country then skip overseas to avoid prosecution, then wear the consequences.

    Posted by Rossconsult on 27 Feb 2019

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    Sirhaapi

    She chose to join ISIS. Let her remain with ISIS

    Posted by Sirhaapi on 27 Feb 2019

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    wizzard

    What sort of mantra drove her at such a 'young' age to flee her home and become party to a band of murderous thugs who have long been reviled for their claimed 'rightful' cause. What sort of proper thinking was associated with her being a housewife at the 'young' age of fifteen. Now at the 'ripe old age' of 18 or 19 she has recognised a lost cause (she is likely not the only one) and would like 'forgiveness' for her errant ways as an accessory to many thousands of murders carried out by her associates. Well I simply do not see age as a factor or determinant in such a case. She made a very 'adult' decision to leave her country; she should face her punishment as an adult in 'exile'. If she had been abducted as a 15 yr old into ISIS then yes; consideration for a return home would be merited.

    Posted by wizzard on 27 Feb 2019

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    Harawira

    Joining a terrorist organization you should be stripped of your citizeship.

    Posted by Harawira on 27 Feb 2019

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    MARTY

    Begum left the UK and chose to join ISIS. Fair enough, her choice to do so and fair enough for the UK government to say stay where you chose to go. If Bangladesh don't want her either, she can stay in Syria - f*** her.

    Posted by MARTY on 27 Feb 2019

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    @$+#

    Case by case but if they are a dangerous than yes.

    Posted by @$+# on 27 Feb 2019

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    tassiegirl

    No, it is not wrong to take away somebody's citizenship in certain circumstances. These are being involved in terrorism in any form & committing serious crime such as armed robbery, armed home invasions, armed car robbery, kidnapping, drug dealing, assault, murder, rape and sexual assault. People's citizenship should be revoked if they keep committing crimes. Why should we reward bad behavior with Australian citizenship? These criminals should be jailed and then deported. Also all people who assault emergency personnel such as police, ambulance, nurse, doctors and firemen should all be jailed and have a mandatory jail sentence. Enough is enough of bad and violent behavior. This type of behavior is horrible, totally wrong, un Australian and unacceptable.

    Posted by tassiegirl on 27 Feb 2019

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    Aaron

    Cases can be different so should not throw all apples in same basket.some cases could warrant an investigation.

    Posted by Aaron on 27 Feb 2019

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    NotNats

    NO - if they break the laws of that country the they should be punished.

    Posted by NotNats on 26 Feb 2019

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    Christian

    It is absolutely OK. Send her back to Bangladesh.

    Posted by Christian on 26 Feb 2019

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    pinkf

    Nope silly girl knew what she was doing then except to be citizen of that country

    Posted by pinkf on 26 Feb 2019

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    Godfrey

    Yes. It sometimes leaves them Stateless. If the UK Government has an issue with her then there are the Courts to decided on either punishment or restriction of movement within the UK. A decision such as this should not be left to the discretion of one person - for example Minister Dutton

    Posted by Godfrey on 26 Feb 2019

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    Chris

    The cynic in me says yes strip her rights to return to UK however on the other hand she was 15 and a minor making a bad decision. She now has a child what hope that the child will not be radicalized if she remains where she is. If however she was allowed to return to UK on strict conditions the might be hope. I can see why Bangladesh would not want her they have enough radicals already. a perplexing question. If I were Peter Dutton and she wanted to come to Australia I would shout a very loud NO!!

    Posted by Chris on 26 Feb 2019

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    7joyce

    Great idea-shows no empathy or remorse

    Posted by 7joyce on 26 Feb 2019

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    Tanya

    Taking away there rights is a great idea

    Posted by Tanya on 26 Feb 2019

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    Kiwikev

    She clearly Knew She was doing something wrong, or against Her Governments rules."Let Her Do the Same with The Government's Decision" Do The Crime, Accept the Penalties of it...!

    Posted by Kiwikev on 26 Feb 2019

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    billum boy

    You make your bed, you lie in it. Think with your brain about what could happen, and don't assume people will be forgiving. This lady will be a welfare sponge for life. Leave her there

    Posted by billum boy on 26 Feb 2019

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    tpw1961

    Citizenship is a choice people make. You renounce citizenship or you take on citizenship. It is not a given, it is not a right, it is a choice and if you are not willing to stand by all that that choice means then you should not make that choice in the first place. Children should not be made full citizens until they are of an age to choose for themselves (16-18 yrs), when they can understand the ramifications of their choice. Taking citizenship here is Australia is quite a process and one most people do not take lightly. For a country to allow a person to take citizenship should also not be taken lightly and if a person doesn't wish to live by the rules that come with citizenship then they need to realise that there are consequences. The idea of being stateless is interesting considering the number of people who seem to get across borders all around the world every year. If a person does not like the rules that come with any one country, they can always choose from the many others that share their ideals.

    Posted by tpw1961 on 25 Feb 2019

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    cat066

    I feel if they are not maintaining the country's citizenship laws, even thou they are young they should lose the citizenship. Citizenship is a privacy not a right.

    Posted by cat066 on 25 Feb 2019

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    Babakazoo

    Only if there is irrefutable proof of their crimes against the country, and that they have citizenship of another country that will acknowledge their citizenship and accept them.

    Posted by Babakazoo on 25 Feb 2019

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    Iggy's mum

    Anyone who leaves their country in defiance of its laws to illegally go to a country and culture that is an enemy of their citizen country is on thin ice to start with. To then marry and live as a citizen of that country and culture compounds the offence. When the situation goes sour and their life is then in danger or they realise that this 'paradise' is a 3rd world s***hole with no food, no healthcare, no safety, no quality of life, no freedoms and no future it is morally offensive to then expect to be welcomed back as the prodigal child while declaiming any culpability of their actions. To make it worse, to expect to be provided for and supported by the government that you initially rejected and criticised as an enemy of the 'paradise' is reprehensible. It used to be called treason. IMO anyone who acts in this way deserves to lose their citizenship and be made stateless.

    Posted by Iggy's mum on 25 Feb 2019

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    Melanie

    It is still a choice she will and has to make

    Posted by Melanie on 25 Feb 2019

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    Nicolara

    No by her own actions she has forfeited her rights to citizenship. Her age has nothing to do with her behaviour. She made her choice.

    Posted by Nicolara on 25 Feb 2019

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    Colleen

    YES - it’s absolutely wrong 2 take away their Citizenship - it is something we r born with & will have 4 life, unless we choose 2 change !

    Posted by Colleen on 25 Feb 2019

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    musicveg

    Even if it is a threat to everyone else in the country? You are wrong about this one.

    Posted by musicveg on 02 Mar 2019

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    Juanita

    I Sorry I didn’t read the whole story ..... Yes it had to Take away the Citizenships if that man cause his ISI Australian Government don’t need this whole crazy thing ...Strip the citizenship to anyone who join ISIS

    Posted by Juanita on 25 Feb 2019

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    Juanita

    Not at all let the citizens ship be stay to who ever that person

    Posted by Juanita on 25 Feb 2019

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    Cherie

    If you don't know the whole story its best not to take sides.

    Posted by Cherie on 25 Feb 2019

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    Ceedy

    No, No. She has terrorist ideas she is a problem for any country!!

    Posted by Ceedy on 25 Feb 2019

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    Ann

    She was a teenager! What/who made her think it was a good idea? I know she has shown no remorse, but I think she needs to come home to her parents and reverse the "shit"!! Her baby deserves a better life and her family will provide that for him.

    Posted by Ann on 25 Feb 2019

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    Lynne

    They know what they are doing is wrong and she slit a mans throat. No matter what they should never be allowed back into any western country. She can stay in the middle east with all the other terrorists. Australia needs to be tougher.

    Posted by Lynne on 25 Feb 2019

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    Danielle

    Did Bangladesh also cancel her citizenship?? or are they just not letting her in at the moment for the sake of seeing to be doing the right thing. I worry that if she isnt taken in and put in detention for a while to see if she is really sorry what happens then? I mean 15 is still a child not capable of making informed choices for her life ahead. Give her the chance to show she can become a good member of society under strict supervision and I mean strict. I would hate to see her end up back in Bangladesh a terrorist all because she had no choice to rid her self of that life.

    Posted by Danielle on 25 Feb 2019

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    David

    It depends on the situation. Yes for criminal convictions, but no for "bad character" if the person has no convictions.

    Posted by David on 25 Feb 2019

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    Cindrella

    I think it's alright if you are causing human right harms in the country

    Posted by Cindrella on 25 Feb 2019

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    ron

    Do the crime pay for it .

    Posted by ron on 25 Feb 2019

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    Claybear

    It depends on the situation.

    Posted by Claybear on 25 Feb 2019

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    Rowdyeh

    If a person abandons their country and then goes and comforts and aids enemies of that country leading to the deaths of innocents then this person is also an enemy. Aiding the enemy is TREASON and should treated as such, with all the penalties applied including stripping of citizenship.

    Posted by Rowdyeh on 25 Feb 2019

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    David

    If they are terrorists or supporting terrorist, NO, people have to learn to be responsible for their actions.

    Posted by David on 25 Feb 2019

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    Raech

    There's no two ways about it she was a child and wasn't at that age capable of making any rational decisions, if she was still that age I would say let her back in and put her in some not very nice girls home with a bit of "barrack room justice" going on. But she's old enough now to realise she stuffed up and now she is just going to have to sort her own stuff out I guess. What I would like to know is where are the parents now and more to the point where were they then?

    Posted by Raech on 25 Feb 2019

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    Danielle

    Yes I too wonder about the parents? How old is she now? Does anyone know?

    Posted by Danielle on 25 Feb 2019

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    Likeable

    She was 15 when she left in 2015.  Unfortunately her baby has now died.  Her father was asking the United Kingdom to allow her back as she did not know what she was doing.  Very complex case indeed.

    Posted by Likeable on 11 Mar 2019

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