It’s been a devastating few weeks in NSW and QLD after hundreds of
thousands of hectares of land were destroyed by bushfires. Since the fires
several teenagers have been charged with arson and starting some of the fires.
Typically, these offenders are sentenced under the Juvenile Offenders Act and
can be given suspended sentences, community service or warnings. What do you
think is a fair punishment for teen arsonists LiveTribers? Are they too young to
understand the extent of their crimes? Or should there be hasher penalties?
Posted by on 25 Nov 2019
Very severely if they are indeed guilty A teenager is old enough to know right
Aaah tough one, well many teens think they know best and feel that world owes
them, so then they should be treated as adults too, and sentence should not be
jail but helping in hospitals with burned victims to see and experience it first
I would not like an arsonist looking after a loved one of mine or anyone for
that matter. They are obviously mental deficients and would probably get
enjoyment out of the pain they have caused. Jail of course.
Throw the bloody book at them. There’s no excuses. They know what they’re
doing. Hip pocket and working time to replace the physical damage they have
done. Cause and effect... but don’t cut off their hands.
Maybe we should allow the owners of this great land of ours to teach us
controlled burn offs once again. I'm not sure but I think they are doing that
in Tasmania. Tackle the problem before it starts.
As far as the criminal idiots are concerned, who are getting their 'kicks' from
lighting these fires, I wish I had a solution of how to stop them so they wont
do it again.
Unfortunately I don't think any type of punishment will help, or forcing them to
help with the clean up, helping out with the firefighters etc is going to deter
them. They get pleasure from what they do.
Maybe find an island and put them all on it so they can light it with no place
to escape. Now, that's an idea!
Harsher penalties due to they are old enough to know right from wrong
catastrophic impact and dangerous they are when the lose of a loved one
volunteer firefighters risks their lives to protect others and their properties
They should be made do community service to repair or make amends to the victoms
or help to aide the recovery of any one or things damaged phsyically to teach
them the true consiquences of their crimes
They should be made to help each house hold who was affected by the fires to
help clean up the destruction that was left behind, each household would all
have a story to tell, as what stress they had gone through and the effects of
the damage done by the fires, then any future jobs they have a percentage out of
each week's pay should go back to paying all the debt that it cost to fight the
fires because it would have to be coming out of the tax payers dollars, When the
amount of money that has been spent putting out the fires could of went on
better things. Surely this will send a message to the next copy cat arsonist.
Why can't as Gilbert and Sullivan put it
THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME.
Millions in damage, putting life in danger. Countless native animals cruelly
Do you think a slap on risk covers that?
Eye for an eye.
They should be jailed, made to apologise to the people hurt by their actions,
they should be made to help clean up the sites & to rebuild the homes etc. lost
& their parents should be fined for not raising their children with more respect
for others & a better understanding of the consequences of their actions!!
Mamby pamby treatment would not work. Jail at least keeps them away for at
least 10 years but upwards if the fires destroy large tracts of land, animals
and property and if anyone dies then it should be jail for life.
They are often too young and recognized as such. They cant drink or drive or
vote till they are over 17 and 18 so it would be double standards to treat them
as adults when they commit a crime. They should have do some type of community
work on weekends and holiday for a year if still at school or if they are
working they should have a to pay some compensation and also do community
service. Maybe a good place for them to do this work would be to work cleaning
up the mess they made.
Assess for mental health services if there is a mental health issue and
treated accordingly. If there are no mental health issues then they need to be
held accountable for their actions and treated accordingly. At the end of the
day everyone needs to be held accountable for their actions and needs to be held
responsibld for the consequences of those actions. There is no such thing as a
free ride or acting with impunity.
Before we talk about punishment, let us consider what they have done in
increasing order of importance. Killed animals, burned houses, left people
penniless and finally, killed people or ruined their lives and those of their
families. Some of the victims will eventually commit suicide. Do they know what
they have done? YES!! From what I seen on the news, in excess of 90% of the
fires are caused by arsonists, most of them in their teens.
I would jailed them for three months and forced them to work for free for the
next two years. If they commit any further crimes, they should be put away for a
very long time.
They should be made to help clean up the damage, and after this has been
completed spend at least 12 months as a volunteer working in the animal hospital
doing the hard work, Cleaning and nursing the sick animals.
No free time to enjoy social life
If they are under 14yrs of age they should have to go out with a suitable
organisation mentor for clean up duty every time there has been a serious fire
and help with clean up for a period of no less than 12 months , By confronting
the pain and destruction they have caused , they would come to terms with how
such disasters effect people . For juveniles between 14 & 18 yrs the same would
apply with the inclusion of 12months detention , along with daily compulsory
schooling . These conditions would be mandatory under " National Law "no get out
clause , once the perpetrator has bee found guilty of the arson.
This is an excellent idea. Make them help clean up the aftermath, and face the
actual consequences of what they've done. Let them see the animals killed; let
them see the memories gone up with the houses; let them have the stink of a fire
on their clothes.
Jail does not teach them a lesson. They need to see the light, spiritually, It
would take a tough person to pull them into line as these teen arsonists know
nothing but evil because there's no love in their life. They need a sargeant
major type of person. It's a difficult subject.
I'm sorry but jail them. y should they get off.if you don't punnish them they
will just do again.i know this first hand.i lit a fire in a paddock when i was
younger and i got punnish for it off the fire brigade police and then i had to
answer to mum and dad but i tell you this i never did it again.
Gather everything they own including phones, ipads, gaming devices, leave them
only with the clothes on their backs. Sell all their possessions and give the
money to the volunteers.
Let them start from scratch like so many fire victims do.
Mandatory participation in the cleanup process by being allocated to one of the
volunteer groups in the locally affected area. Would require direct supervision.
Also, counselling - what lead to this shocking conscious decision to affect so
many lives forever?
Put them in the volunteer Fire Brigade on the front line until they are 21.
Mandatory counselling and therapy as well. The desire to light fires is the
visible manifestation of a deeper problem in their mind. Don't sweep them under
the carpet and marginalise them. Help them to heal the wounds.
Being a volunteer firefighter will teach them about the receiving end. It'll
educate them first hand about the damage caused and danger presented. It'll be
worse than a fine or imprisonment. Those things can be shaken off and you will
find they will commit the offense again.
Being a volunteer Firefighter will educating them in a real way about the
problems they cause. It will also teach them about community. It will show them
mercy. It will instill in them civil responsibility. It will eat up their free
time. They will learn team work and discipline plus other life skills. Instead
of being an outcast and sent in an ever spiralling downward path into a career
criminal, you might get a semi authentic citizen who changed their ways from
education rather than punishment. Plus, they need more fire fighters anyway.
Create an asset and not a liability.
Institutions are responsible for the institutionalisation mentality of those who
commit crimes. In that way, the government and establishment are perpetuating
more criminal behaviour on a subliminal level. It's so insidious that the
average person is missing the effects it is having in their lives.
Do you really think this would work? After all, a lot of the bushfires have been
started by volunteer firies. It seems having to fight these fires is no
deterrent at all to some people. If only it was that simple.
I agree. Some people that do those things wont learn anything from the above
suggestions. If something is missing in the brain from birth, doing those
suggested ideas wont change them. You either have empathy, 'mercy', know right
from wrong etc or you don't. Unfortunately there are some people that simply
can't be helped. Look at all those prisoners that are supposed to be
rehabilitated and are let out only to commit the same crime again. They do it
because they enjoy it.
Prison is not enough, they should be made go ad work in the area that they
burned out until the area is completely restored and then their should have a
proportion of their salary taken every week for the rest of their life or until
the full cost is recovered.
OLD ENOUGH TO START FIRES/COMMIT CRIME
OLD ENOUGH TO TAKE THE CONSEQUENCES
SEEING THE YOUNG I WOULD BE LOOKING INTO WHAT THEIR ELDERS ARE TEACHING THEM AND
THOSE IF THEY INCITED NEED TO BE PUNISHED AS WELL
SICK OF JUSTICE BEIG A PUSSY
Why should these arsonists be let off with just a suspended sentence? These
offenders have not only burnt down grass lands, forests, native wildlife habitat
and even injured or even possibly caused the deaths, by fire. Also, let's not
forget those unfortunate people who not only lost all their belongings
including their pets as well as their lives. Please do NOT forget all the
volunteers who have been injured or, God forbid, perished whilst trying to help
all others in the fires. My thoughts are to send these thoughtless kids out with
fire fighters and ambo's so they may feel first hand exactly what their actions
have caused. Also make them help with the retrieval of those poor unfortunate
victims thus giving them a sample of the pain and hurt to others which these
thoughtless individuals have caused when on their escapades.
Teen arsonists should definitely be punished. They are 0 well aware of what a
fire does and what it would do if it don’t go right. Common sense is a
necessity and is taught to a child at an early age. They know what they’re
doing and just because they are underaged does not meant they should be able to
get away with it, if they think they can then why not trial them as adults. I
don’t even live anywhere near the bushfires but seeing the destruction and
death they have brought definitely brings tears to my eyes.
First I would tie them to the biggest fire fighter I could find and make the
fight the fire they started once the fire has been down grated they will get a
tub and go into the ashes and look for burnt animals to take to a vet. Then they
can be handed to the police, charged with arson as an adult and sent to jail
minimum of 4 years
They should be charged but the parents should be fined a large sum as to make
them more accountable for their kids. The really young ones (under 12) should be
put into a less stressful environment than the ones over 12.
I have known the best parents in the world who really watched their kids,
educated them, taught them right from wrong and one word from one the the kids
peers and all that is gone by the wayside. Kids are stupid and this sometimes
is ongoing into adult hood. Yes unfortunately there are parents out there who
are lacking but then many kids from these parents are fine citizens. No rhyme
or reason why kids do what they do sometimes. The kids are accountable for
their actions and I think no fighting the fires but cleaning up afterwards in
the area they burnt facing the people whose homes, animals and family they have
They have to have a mental problem and need to be removed from society till
absolute assurances can be given that the problem has been resolved and only
then with a tracker on them. If someone dies because of their actions then it is
murder and treated as such
For anyone to have to even ask this question is beyond me. No matter what the
age is, arson is a criminal act and it causes loss of people and animal's LIVES.
They die in terror and the most extreme pain and suffering. Lighting these fires
with intent, is acting to cause that horrific death, and that is NOT any act of
'manslaughter', but MURDER. Fire is, as we've seen, practically unstoppable
once started. If ANY human being is prepared to put others' lives at risk, or
their property, they should be charged with arson and murder - it is NOT an act
of manslaughter, because it is no accident, but deliberate intent. And the
penalty should be the full and most severe - teenagers today are becoming almost
evil - they choose to act to kill rather than merely, and sensibly, take care
for, and respect, others' lives. For that they should be charged with full
adult penalties. Age makes NO difference. FULL imprisonment, harshest
penalties. Soft treatment only ENCOURAGES a repeat of the act. I've worked in
the Children's Courts and others, and know that the days of a smack on the hand
being enough to deter crime is NO LONGER effective, and certainly no deterrent.
Totally agree but on top of all that has been said, all his or her precious
belongings should be confiscated put in a pile then give a match to the culprit
and let it set the pile alight and see how it feels to lose possessions. But to
lose a life they will never get it.
I think they should be made to help clean up in the aftermath of all the
devastation they have caused. Not for just a day but for many, many hours. This
will make them mix with the people and communities they have hurt so much, hear
their stories, the impact this has had on their lives and contemplate the
consequences of their actions.
I like everything I've read here in the way of punishment, paying
compensation, trying to make them aware of just how dangerous their actions are
and so on. Especially appealing are the calls for medieval punishments. Putting
someone in the stocks preferably in the centre of a fire ravaged community I
find immensely appealing.
Unfortunately this only addresses some of the punishment issues. To educate
these scum, youths or adults, an experience as frightening as what innocent
people and animals are forced to endure may just give them a hint of what they
Arsonists really get their jollies by watching their beautiful flames but they
usually do it from a distance. I assume that the build up of excitement and
tension as they get closer to actually igniting the world which the rest of us
call home must be close to ecstasy.
These feelings must end up as the overwhelming memory of lighting a bushfire
because come summer they're out there doing it again.
I feel that once caught by all means let the public humiliate them but most
definitely don't cause physical harm, this is part of a learning experience
after all. During this period they can also contemplate the next learning
experience which could take place on the next Total Fire Ban day or similar and
could involve maybe chaining and padlocking them to a suitable tree in a high
risk fire area where they could spend the day looking like a greenie and praying
the greenies can save the forest. Might even bring about a fear of arsonists.
My feeling is that it could easily take all fire season to bring about an
attitude change, maybe two seasons just to be on the safe side. There's room for
fine tuning, maybe the chain is a bit harsh, a rope would at least give them a
chance to find a safe refuge. Once it burned through.
Firstly, put them on the front line to stop the fires - they lit it, they put it
Secondly, once the fire is out (no matter how big it gets) they get a minimum 15
years jail in solitary.
Thirdly, they and their families pay back every cent in compensation to victims
and emergency services - no matter how much it costs (that would bring a bit of
Then, if they are ethnic, deport the family once the sentence and fines are
covered. This should go for any 'bleeding heart' greenie supporters too.
Well said Murray.
It's starting to look as if we may be seeing the start of a people power revolt
against the slap on the wrist with a wet lettuce leaf form of sentencing and a
move towards retribution with entire families suddenly being forced to show some
interest in what their little darlings are up to. This should prove to be a
suitable deterrent to start with and if not just ramp it up till it works. Make
the sentence mandatory with no wishy washy excuses. The judiciary will no doubt
oppose this but only until they see the changes to their terms of employment. At
the moment judges are appointed for life, which might seem a long time,but as we
all know it can also mean that they could be out in as little as nine years or
less. Take into account time already served and Centrelink could find itself
inundated by a group very cranky old fogies who have just discovered that
they really work for us and not the Law Society.
When we look at Australian history and compare today to two hundred years ago
it's easy to see what's gone wrong. We've taken a perfectly good system of
punishment by incarceration for any crime with various degrees of flogging added
as a little something extra and replaced it something that's hopeless. In the
past if you offended you got locked up and you didn't get out for a long time.
Now it doesn't seem to matter what you do very few manage to get gaol time. How
about we turn ourselves back into a Penal Colony for a few years then sit back
and watch the fun.
This is murder It’s time to bring back medieval fixes
Jail is no deterrent
Cane these mongrels publicly put them in stocks for public humiliation
Control their every movement with electronics
Make them help rebuild
Then look at why these kids are so undisciplined
Parents don’t give a damn any more they’res no control at home
I couldn't agree more. However we need to remember why some are like this. It's
because Parental Control has been removed from parents and especially where
there a rebels in a family there's very little a parent can do today to pull
this individual into line without having authorities come after them for
something they may not have even done! Authorities seem to believe the young
person no matter what to day, sad to say and see the total disregard by some of
today's youth. Unfortunately there are adults amongst who are better either.
Again relating to the banning of the good old discipline that was once metered
out and for most part worked very well. So there are two generations there now
of those who don't care and do their own thing regardless of consequences. To
those who are the perpetrators there are no consequences in their eyes or so it
It's not just the parents Trunko. Many parent do care, but are confused about
how to discipline kids. Schools don't have the threat of the cane any more,
cops hands are tied .... because they are just "innocent kids", & don't know
what they have done. It's a whole of society problem. It's caused by
lack of physical disipline ... i.e. a disciplined whack on the arse.
There has been so much publicity about the damage, loss of life and injury
caused by bushfires, so I am sure that these teenage arsonists are well aware of
the outcome of lighting fires. I think they should be charged as adults and
imprisoned. Once they are released, they should have their wages garnisheed to
repay the people for the damage they have caused. They should also be charged
with murder if someone dies in the fire they light.
yes they should face the full force of the law and be treated like an adult.
these fires cause many millions of dollars in damage and the accasional death
just slapping them on the wrist is not good enough and the work to help fix it
is never going to happen
Absabloodylutely.... and if their actions have caused human death then murder
should be added. Public whipping in the communities their actions have affected
in lieu of gaol time given modern goals are basically motels for ferals would be
a very effective deterrent. No doubt our bleeding heart lawyer watermelon
progressives would oppose this..... until of course they are burnt out
They should be sent out to help with all fixing up of the land and houses like
in the army with very strict authority and during week sent to jail for 6 months
to scare them then when at work they pay 1/2 there wage for 10 years
they should be first punished put into youth jail till they are 18 and then in
adult jail for life be charged with attempted murder and also be charged with a
violent crime and repay every single cent that has cost everyone involved and
as far as im concerened all violent crimes should be life in prisonment and life
not 25 years they die in jail as they know exactly what they have done
There should be a mandatory jail sentence regardless of their age. Not a
susspended sentance minuim of 2yrs in a adult prison with no early release.They
commit a serious crime. ARSON. The wildlife that gets burnt to death. The
devastation these bush fires cause. They no what they are doing. They have evil
I think that there should be harsher penalties, they are old enough to know what
they are doing is extremely wrong but just don't care about who they are
hurting. It is about time that they take responsibility for their actions and
stop just getting a slap on the wrist!
They should be made to go into the affected areas and find injured animals and
see the dead ones. Help care for the injured ones and also talk to the people
who lost loved ones and their property.
Get shown the cars that people died 8n trying to get away.
The c arcassess of horses and cows etc.
Absolutely. When turning eighteen, make them clean up after the devastation of a
fire and losing your home. Then they should be trained to be in the front line
of all bushfires and serving with the volunteers who help victims of said
All the while, staying in a low security jail until the victims of fires truly
believe they are rehabilitated.
Make these arsonists work for the rest of their lives without any income. Only
the minimum, food water. Have them realise that this is what has happened to
those that have worked for a majority of their lives only to end up with
nothing in the blink of an eye. I have no sympathy for those that destroy lives
in all forms. Time for Australian Laws to become harsher and adhere to the
judgements that have been handed onto law breakers by the courts.
they should be forced to spend a considerable amount of time with families
affected by the fires, Be made to help with the clean up and restoration of
areas and also be made to care for animals rescued and help bury the lost
wildlife, Seeing the consequences first hand may make them realise the reality
Juvenile detention. But I don't know if it will really set them back on track.
So perhaps it should be a deterrent to future employers. Where it will be harder
to get a job or go on welfare. No welfare for a certain period etc.
I found the only thing that seems to make people sorry and rethink doing the
same stupid thing again is to hit their hip pocket. Maybe a teen but .... I also
do agree with the people who commented staying they should be made to see the
consequences of fires , the destroyed homes and talk to the people who lost
their homes and pets.
They need to be punished to the full extent of the Law. No fines or slaps on
wrists.Plus send them out to areas to pick up dead animals,see the families who
have lost everythingIt is time our Government stops pandering to criminals.You
do the Crime, Do The Time.
the law was changed to hold the parents of fire starters responsible for all
arson attacks and deliberately lite fires
the question should be asked will the courts of Australia commit to there own
governmental changes within a policy law stated within a political circle
I was not aware of this. Hopefully the courts do follow the law. I am a parent
and my child's behaviour is due to the way I raised her. If she messes up then I
do hold responsibilty for that. It will be interesting to see what happens in
The same "on paper' jail time punishment as an adult, the full strength of the
(adult) law. With their time spent assisting in the "recovery after the fire"
not just the fire they were responsible for, but every fire that occurs while
they serve their time.
Free time in confinement, compulsory schooling at their confinement facility,
Any financial penalty should be split between the parents and the teenager, with
the teenager paying after they turn 18.
Their identities made public as soon as they are convicted.
A permanent jail record, the same as an adult offender.
Teenagers today know more about life and consequences than those of 2
generations ago, there really is no excuse or claim of ignorance for their
Yes to the full strength of the law, no slap on the wrist and if a child or teen
the parents should also share in the consequences as lacking supervision. Too
often the devastating damage to life and property is not taken into account by
No they aren’t too young. They should be fronted up before a large group of
affected people and firefighters. Made to apologise and listen to what some of
their victims think of them. Their names should go on file . A file that goes
with them through life. Then taken to an animal shelter where they are
supervised while they help care for injured animals every weekend for 6 months.
Don’t name them in the media. They don’t deserve fame. Thank you for this
opportunity. Anita White
Let's look and think a bit harder. All the evidence and surveys worldwide show
that punishment alone will almost always result in repeat arson or worse crimes
when the punishment is complete. These are damaged, even broken people, and
while punishment is partly understandable and easy reaction, perhaps we also
need to work out how stop damaging these young people. Otherwise we'll see more
arson, and the consequences will be worse as temperatures rise and the bush
dries out further.
They should be punished go and clean up the area they destroyed. Go to the
animal hospital and help the animals they hurt go and collect all the animals
they killed, plant more trees to the areas that destroyed
Teen arsonists should be made to fight bush fires, so hopefully, it makes them
understand the impact their actions have on others e.g. fire fighters,
animals,families, property and the states of Australia.
As much as we are all furious that kids are lighting fires, we need to question
why? Prevention is better than punishment. Are they bored, are they angry, are
they stupid, or just seeking attention?
Punishment needs to be in the form of rehabilitation, start by helping out in a
burns unit whether in humans or wildlife.
Send them out to the areas that tey have destroyed and put them to work cleaning
up the houses and shed and the animals they have destroyed. Make them look at
what they have destroyed first hand at the lives they have taken and families
that have nothing left.
They will not learn unless they are punished and more so to deter other young
ones from doing the exact same thing , just like they are doing now. Too many
innocent people have lost their lives, homes and all their personal belongings
just so these little pricks have some "Fun". The punishment must fit the crime.
young people these days, know more about life than we did as children. THEY
KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING. !! no excuses here..
These offenders, with their parents, should go and spend many days clearing the
areas, and working with the re-construction teams, no matter what age...
particularly the burnt homes, and meet the people that have lost every thing.
NAME AND SHAME THEM.. IMMEDIATELY.
The extra punishment should be a short time in Jail, as they ARE arsonists.
If this punishment is to go lightly, it could start a precedence. especially
with a hot summer to come. This is a very serious matter
As an 84 yr old, we parents were always responsible for ill deeds, if any , our
children did. so the perpetrators family should be made to ( adopt) a family
that has lost everything, due to their child, and offer financial , and
Not easy bringing up kids, and with both parents working kids are left to their
own devices. Certainly our laws are too soft, but could a alert device (or
whatever they are called) be put on these offenders and having to go for
compulsory re-education and also a parent having to go with their child to these
sessions. it could either make or break a family but at least the
child/teenager might feel they have support.
I think jail is not right all that happens there is a school education for
criminals by criminals so as institutions for kids they come out worst then
before only few do put on some sense the best solution in my opinion-ion ye this
might seem funny and it is in a way but the best answer is sentence them to
church services that is 7 days a week under the love of a preacher(s) and the
escort of the police they are to do work there and listen to the word of GOD
THEN THEY ARE NOT LET OUT THE CHURCH UNTIL THEY PROVE TO BE WORTHY TO live
among-st the public they must be supervised all the time 24/7 if possible ye
st-ricked rules the police keep there eyes out and the preachers do the same but
we got to be careful not to make GODS house a school for crooks they got to be
looked after they are kids and need discipline love and to teach them the
correct things in life so on some may learn? some may not? but we get a prayer
going that GOD helps them all to learn to do it right next time around ye it is
funny but i think i am serious here send them 24/7 to church services so as all
other crimes children or adults but the preachers and police must out number
them too good to keep them in order so on yes put woman and girls with men and
boys so but to be looked after so they do not get up to nor-ties in the house of
GOD but even so it is better then people turning to same sex partners keep them
disciplined OK teach then to find a oposet sex partner but sex is when they are
old enough to marry teach them what hard life these people who lost houses and
lives go through teach them to do it right next time around hope so it works? so
as all other criminals young and old
Have a compluery courses they much do to educate thwm,take them to see the
people and damage it cauaed and made to be a part of cleaning up and repairing
peoples lives and property. There has to be severe consequent for creating such
havoc in the peoples lives and resources.
Whether they be Arsonists, Vandals, Car Thieves, if they do the Crime, they
should do the Time. Going Soft on them has proved Fruitless, especially in
Queensland where the Government has been too soft on them, & they Re offend. The
Parents should take some of the blame for not keeping an eye on them & raising
Teen arsonists need to serve time in a suitable facility and made to work at
bushfire devastated area's.
These people need to be made to see first hand the anguish of those that have
lost everything in these fires. They should also be confronted with the numerous
wildlife victims of their actions.
Humans keep evolving per century, what our grandfathers couldn't bdo while young
can be easily achieves by young children nowadays. My opinion is that as human
beings are evolving and becoming more mindless, the law should also be more
stiffer and ruthless in dealing with mankind. Few examples of thorough
prosecution of child arsonists will make every intending arsonist think twice
before embarking on such deadly act.
while i know some of them have had no home life etc, and jail is
no good i just think things they hold dear should be piled up
in front of them and burnt, then they should be sent out with
the emergency services or helpers to fight the fire or help rebuild
what has been lost.
Good words Elaine JP,
As I said back a bit, Can not place Old Heads on Young Shoulders.
They need help not the Cane.,
They need Education on the matter first hand,
Only then (maybe) they will understand their wrong.
Definitely should be charged with murder if someone dies or attempted murder if
not and they should get life withOUT parole because that's all they are worthy
of !!! They have no idea of the values of real life and most of the time they
are bums on the dole.
I'd like to say throw them into a bushfire, or slowly burn off one of their
hands, but that would be as inhuman as what they have done. Equally inhuman.
They ARE old enough to understand what they are doing, but also to know they
will get away with it under our soft juvenile laws. They need to be charged as
adults. With attempted murder. Be forced prison labour to clean up and rebuild
I think they should be given a severe sentence, certainly not just a slap on the
wrist or a fine. And, be held accountable so that hopefully they will come to
realise what they are doing to people. I also think that they should be made to
go and fight the fires with the fire brigade and see precisely what devastation
they have caused.
Of course they are too young to understand the gravity of the crimes they are
committing. Their actual age excludes them from understanding or processing
correctly many concepts that we understand as adults. If we want to have any
real impact on changing lives and fixing problems can we focus on education and
psychological support rather than harsher penalties.
Send them to gaol. People are losing their homes, properties, animals and
businesses. Some are even losing their lives.
Then we have hundreds on volunteers who give up their time to battle these
Yes I agree put them out on the front line fighting the fires and make them
realise the damage they have caused others - emotionally, mentally and
physically. Then give them time in a juvenile detention centre.
Maybe we take time to take them into the field and see first hand what has been
destroyed and get them also to do the hard yard of clean up and fight the fires
get their little hands dirty and see the pain first hand, might be a better way
Can not put old heads on Young Shoulders.
Forget the Big Stick that only hardens them the wrong way. show some love and
understanding… Who know what may come out of them.
To all those who are going through Bushfires at this time, Blessings and may all
turn out OK for You and Yours.
definitely they should have tougher penalties. the youth of today know that
they can get away with all crimes they commit, a slap over the knuckles. they
are old enough they made the choice to start these fires and these choices have
consequences, so yes definitely tougher harsher penalties. its not like they
are 4 or 5 year olds.
Do the crime, serve the time. With nothing more than a (soft) slap on the wrist,
there is no detrimental reason why they would not do it, just having fun, but
not for all those people who loose all their properties, lifes memorabilia, and
for some their very lives
They should be escorted into the burnt bush and made to assist in the disposal
of the dead and rescue of the injured wildlife. The sight and sound of the
animals screaming in pain and the stench of burnt fur, flesh and death will
haunt all except the most psychopathic for the rest of their lives. I believe
there are precedents for this; Bribie Island springs to mind.
A few hours in a hospital burns ward would sort them out too, but that won't be
possible of course.
This is a most serious offence endangering, if not even causing deaths to
citizens. Offenders/ arsonists should be dealt with harshly and should receive a
sentence of detention for at least 6 months or longer if a death has occurred.
Firstly, they should have to face and apologize to the people who suffered loss
in the fire/s they caused and then they should have to sign a contract promising
to give all their weekends (and more if possible) to helping the victims of the
fire they were responsible for starting. This commitment should be long term
and I'm sure the community would agree to supervising the culprit/s to ensure
they put in as much effort as the victims. Each time they do not fulfill their
commitment, they should be fined a substantial amount and have to pay back this
money to the victims as they would have to do for HECS. They need to be taught
that all actions have consequences.
yes the should charged and punished to the full extent of the law, they knew
what they were doing. They have destroyed property, destroyed peoples lives,
caused unbelievable heartache to a lot who lost loved ones. They should be made
to go out and help with the clean up the properties they have destroyed.
The justice system is not harsh enough for young ones to learn that they cant go
around doing thing like this and get away with it with a slap on the hand, it
teaches them nothing,
They should be severely punished for what they did ,and most of all the law
shouldn't protect these little bums who have nothing to do than to hurt
people.You do a crime ..you pay for the consequences.The law has been too
lenient at all times,protecting them because they've been raped,they are poor
and homeless,or they have no mum or no dad at home to look after them...all sort
of excuses.These scums are future criminals if they aren't already now.