Armed police officers stormed into a house in the US state of Arizona after a
doctor notified child welfare services that children in the house were sick and
unvaccinated. The child’s parents refused to take their child to the
hospital and the doctor feared the child might be suffering from meningitis and
called the authorities. The parents refused to let the police in and so the door
was broken down and three children were removed. Is this an overreaction? Are
anti-vaxxers guilty of neglect? What are your thoughts LiveTribers?
Posted by on 03 Apr 2019
Yes they are if they don't vaccinate they shouldn't receive any government
payments or public hospitals treatment.
I think in this case, with suspected meningitis, which is not only deadly but
horrendously painful, they had to take the children, as the parents weren't
taking proper care (a child should be in a hospital, with such a condition,
getting care and treatment). Neglect of medical attention when a child is ill,
is neglect, whatever the vaccination stance. I do think it is neglectful of
their own child and other community members health especially babies too young
for immunisation and others with conditions limiting their ability to withstand
illnesses and to have immunisations for genuine reasons. My friends baby got
whooping cough, he caught it before he could be immunised and nearly died twice,
having to be hospitalised, rushed by ambulance and getting mild brain damage due
to oxygen deprivation. All of this could be prevented by those around him being
immunised. It is so sad that in such a wealthy country people chose to ignore
the benefits, and can spread diseases they carry to anyone and everyone as they
travel the world and mix with people on chemo, babies, elderly, people without
money for medical care, etc, etc... we can and should be doing better.
Anti-Vaxxers are very odd people indeed. My mother is an Anti-Vaxxer despite
the fact that the flu killed my father. Anti-vaxxers feel they are superior and
know better than the professionals. I wouldn't call it child neglect though
because in their minds they know better. I have heard it said "they are just
little diseases children get" but as the rest of us know there is nothing
"little" about them and they can be killers. I think it has to be about
information, persuasion and education rather than brute force. People tend to
get their backs up when pushed. No-one will ever be able to convince my mother
there is no link between injections and Autism, she also believes if you have
anesthetic for an operation you will have a stroke and die. I have no idea
where she got these ideas but she spreads them around making her a dangerous
person. Needless to say I am of the opposite opinion.
Anti-vaxxers are irresponsible and don't realise what their choses can do to
other people or they just don't care. When my child was a lot younger going to
primary school he contracted whooping cough even though he was vaccinated. I
had the the Department of Infectious Deseases ring me about this and I was so
angry I asked them why did he get this because he was vaccinated and they said
that because a lot of parents refuse to get their children vaccinated the
vaccine will only stop them from dying not contracting the disease. This is one
of the most frightening things I have had to see, fortunately because my son was
older and he had been vaccinated he was able to fight the disease, but it was
still the most terrifying thing I have had to go thorough and I have had to
fight bowel cancer. These people who think that these vaccinations cause
problems with their children you watch a child go through whooping cough and see
how you feel then.
Anti-vaxxers not only don't care about their family, they have a blatant
disregard for the community they live in. Most diseases such as meningococcal
are stamped out by herd immunisation. It only takes one in the community to put
the whole community at risk. These idiots are the first ones to squeal if their
child died - it is every one else fault and particularly the health
professionals. Not theirs - well sunshines - it is absolutely YOUR fault for
believing in pseudo science and not the real science based on evidence. And for
the record, the earth is actually sort of spherical not flat!! No Vaxx - no
medicare benefits or access to the public purse.
Exactly. Polio is also on the way out or would be if they were allowed to
continue to administer the Oral Sabin. Unfortunately, certain countries and
people actually kill the administers of these life saving vaccines under some
That depends on what your beliefs are. Trying to scare people in vaccination is
a poor substitute for being able to prove a point of view. If they could, they
would have, but, as can be seen, by the scare campaign, they cannot.
This issue has been ongoing in Australia too.I think it should be manditory for
children to get vaccinated against diseases.All my four children were vaccinated
and had no ill effect.Maybe just cried for a bit but that was all.My 4 year old
grand daughter recently was in hospital with severe headaches and had all of the
tests for meningitis and that was one of the first things the doctor asked.Were
here vaccinations up to date and my daughter 100% replied that they
were.thankfully Sophia didnt have meningitis and is now on the mend.It was a
very scary thing though and if people that dont get their children vaccinated
went through this they would probably feel bad not vaccinating them
Not so much neglect but a blatant disregard for the lives of the kids involved
and the people around them. I believe that if you choose to live within a
society, you must abide by the majority rule and in this case, that would be to
have the kids vaccinated. The risk of an epidemic is too great to allow a couple
of kids to not be vaccinated. On the other side of the coin, society shouldn't
be allowed to impose the majority rule on those who don't want it. If you don't
want to vaccinate, don't expect to be included in public life and don't expect
the majority to understand why you are putting the lives of your children at
risk because of something that is almost certain not to happen. Reactions to the
vaccinations are very rare.
Go live in the country away from others so you don't make anyone else sick if
you must risk the lives of your children.
It's a fine line between freedom of choice for adults and children.
Yes, because if parents refuse to vaccinate their children they cant go to
daycare to.get their social stimulation skills nor their fine motor skills,
theyre also putting their child snd multiple others at risk
Many parents scared off vaccination by a lot of disinformation on the web
unfortunately so it should be classified as a case of ignorance which could have
tragic consequences. Need better authenticated, high quality, trust worthy
information outlets with live chats for parents and persons wanting to know more
about the vaccination issues & consequences. Seems like pack inserts are
insufficient to allay fears. After all, why aren't the same anti vaxxers
complaining about the toxic ingredients in foods they ingest daily which may
also be capable of causing anaphylaxis and brain damage?
Unfortunately children and adults that are not vaccinated do get there horrible
diseases and then spread it amongst other children and adults and in some cases
cause maiming and or death. I personally would not like that on my conscience
when these diseases are preventable and were very much controlled until anti
vaxers. I have seen children with Polio and measles and children born deformed
because their mothers contracted the disease during pregnancy. It's fine for
them to say it is their choice but they are being irresponsible. Yes they are
their kids and if they lived away from the population I would have no problem
with their choice but not when they are mixing with others.
Until your kid contracts a fatal disease and then whose fault is it and whose
taxes will have to pick up the bill. Community is about us all. I for one do
not ever want to see another case of whooping cough. It is the sadest most
sickening experience of my professional career. A total feeling of helplessness
watching a kid slowly cough itself to death. Do I support vaccinations
absolutely YES. And that is minding my own bees wax. I am still traumatised by
my moral injury as a health care worker.
Absolutely! Unless yr child has a health risk associated with vaccinations
there is no valid reason not to protect your child by getting them done. We have
almost eliminated childhood diseases by vaccinating & anti-vaxxers are putting
everyone else at risk of returning to the days where children & the elderly
would die or become seriously ill with them. Yes the elderly can be affected
because their immune systems are weakened with age & it means they are just as
vulnerable as children. It is very rare that a child has a serious adverse
reaction & it certainly does not cause Autism, they are quite safe these days
with the worst reaction is a sore leg at the site & a slight temperature
afterwards. Anti vaxxers thrive by sharing misinformation & people blindly
believe instead of researching & educating themselves on the truth.
So you think it is OK for them to put their children and others in harms way?
It is like standing them in the middle of a highway and hoping the cars miss
Since the Oral Sabin by 2000 The Western Pacific Region is Polio free. Once
many died or were crippled and I am of the age when I went to school with kids
in callipers and had neighbours in them also. The numbers are horrific of those
who contracted this disease. It is also an ongoing problem with various
disabilities presenting themselves as these people who had contracted Polio age.
A lot of the fear campaign is just not based on fact but what one particular so
called expert views and a number of so called experts with few or no
credentials. Hundreds of thousands of people died or were crippled yearly
worldwide. The immunisation has now restricted outbreaks to 3 countries.
Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan although there was an outbreak in Papua New
Guinea last year. Look up photos of the afflicted children and their crippled
bodies. It is heartbreaking.
Murray, In America there is a long waiting line of thousands upon thousands of
parents that have vaccine damaged kids who want to sue big Pharma. Bill Gates
polio vaccine for instance in India gave over 70,000 children polio and some
died. Every year the incidences spiral and get larger. Sweden has no vaccines
saying a strong immune system is the way to go. On NaturalNews.com there are
videos by doctors who tell what weird stuff is put in vaccines. From aluminum,
antifreeze, mercury, peanut oil, etc the worst being aborted baby tissue.
Elaine, I am 62 and since I left school I only got the flu twice. A teenage girl
last year nearly died after a flu shot when all her organs shut down. Half of
the patients of a nursing home died from getting one a nurse testified and they
were well before getting it. The incidence of vaccine damaged children is
growing every year by the hundreds and thousands. Many parents in America are on
waiting lists to sue because of their damaged kids. What is wrong with having a
good immune system and not eating piles of junk. Most vaccines have Aluminum,
mercury, animal blood, etc but the worst is aborted baby tissue. I know because
I am a researcher.
There is so much missing content of information that a healthy and vital
response is difficult. This, if true and credible, is a story that is highly
unlikely. It is far to drastic a measure. I would need a lot more information
to know what was behind this incident. This has nothing to do with
immunisation. The Doctor would have other knowledge what was in disorder with
the people in the household. Police do not cause such destruction for as such
an event. A large number of residents are unaware of the benefits and pitfalls
of immunisation, what Doctors and Police are responsible for and their roles in
I believe that they are guilty. Meningitis is a horrible disease and if a
doctor had been thinking this then yes they are guilty of it.
Time and time again we see anti-vaccination people against vaccinating their
children. They seem to forget that it is not only their children but others
that the children come in contact with that can suffer because of this.
Flora, Did you know how many vaccine damaged kids there are? The incidence is
growing by the hundreds and thousands every year. NaturalNews.com has videos on
it by doctors who say how weird some of the stuff is that goes into them like
aluminum, mercury, antifreeze, animal blood, etc but the worst is aborted baby
tissue. Bill Gates polio vaccine in India actually gave over 70,000 children the
disease and killed some. Research please and buy one issue of The New Zealand
Journal of (small lettering) Natural Medicine which comes out every 2 months.
To agree or disagree is mostly depicted by each persons choice a anti vaxxers
point of view would be the opposite to someone who vaccinated.i had all 5
children vaccinated. I feel I made the right choice. Also in Australia the
incentive to vaccinate is monetary as if you don't vaccinate they cut family tax
benefit. I dont know if they do that in the states.
Michael, You are very lucky to have no vaccine damaged children. The Amish in
America never had an autistic child until they were forced to get one. Please
research it yourself, there is a YouTube channel called VAXXED where lots on
parents are interviewed that have vaccine damaged kids and it is a lot more
prevelant than you think. Dr. Tenpenny is a fantastic speaker on the subject.
We have an outbreak of measles in Australia now all due to anti vaxers. I
understand their views in part but if they see the misery and deaths of children
and adults caused before these vaccinations became available and even see in
countries that do not vaccinate they would have to change their views. Anti
vaxers have been known to once they or their children have been afflicted and or
died from polio, chicken pox, measles,whooping cough, etc.
As for this story from USA I think I would need more information. Perhaps the
parents had a history of child neglect or the child was in extreme danger as
were other children in the house.
THEY ARE GUILTY OF NOT ONLY RISKING THE HEALTH, WELFARE AND LIFE OF THEIR OWN
CHILDREN BUT ALSO THAT OF OTHERS THEY MAY COME INTO CONTACT WITH.
THEY SHOULD BE PUBLICLY LISTED AS PEDOPHILES ARE AND HAVE ALL CENTRELINK
Marty, Have you ever had a vaccine damaged child, hm? The incidence of them is
growing every year by thousands. A teenager last winter nearly died of a flu
shot because her organs were shutting down. Several people actually died from
the vaccine in an old people's and they were healthy before they got it a nurse
testified. Most vaccines have aluminum, mercury, antifreeze, animal blood, etc
but the worst one is aborted baby tissue. Kids just need a strong immune system
instead of eating junk.
pinkf, I am 62 and had chicken pox as a child. Since I left high school I never
had another vaccine and had the flu twice. The incidence of vaccine damaged kids
is through the hemisphere now. In America, thousands upon thousands of parents
are on long waiting lists to sue the drug manufacturer. There is a good website
called NaturalNews.com that has videos by doctors that say what is being put in
them. The worst is aborted baby tissue. The kids that got measles got it from
vaccinated ones who carried the pathogen, I know because I am a researcher.
Yes they are. I used to have a friend who was antivaxxer. Her 9 month old baby
had a major asthma attack and she would only give him herbal remedies instead of
his ventolin. I called an ambulance when I was visiting one day, they put him on
an oxygen nebuliser straightaway. Needless to say we aren't friends anymore
because I called for an ambulance. They saved a child's life.
Storm, Sad story indeed. Let me tell you Bill Gates polio vaccine actually gave
over 70,000 children in India the disease. Kids that caught the measles got it
from vaccinated kids who carried the pathogen. The incidence of vaccine damaged
children is skyrocketing each year. In the last couple of years, big Pharma in
America had to pay out 2 billion in damages Do your own research with what
really goes into vaccines like aluminum, mercury, animal DNA, antifreeze, etc.
The very worst is aborted baby tissue. Please check out a very good magazine
called The New Zealand Journal of ( small letters) Natural Medicine which comes
out bimonthly and if your Newsagent does not get it order it. I am a researcher
and know what I am talking about.
The Facts speak for themselves.
However we all have the right to choose.
Jehovah to Jesus to Buddha and back. All have a right to choose.
Though, if through sheer stupidity or religious and other beliefs they want to
remain unvaccinated in our Society.
For our Children's benefit most of all we have to keep them away until such
time as they either realise that to be "Part of Something More". They remain
That's The Rub as they say.
Definitely. Look eg. Muslims in Pakistan refusing polio vaccination as "Western"
with thousands permanently crippled people there. One child saved from polio is
enough reason for forced vaccination. People are stupid, not uninformed.
The Universe is but endless while human stupidity is truly infinite.
Karel, Your story is back to front the polio vaccine actually gave over 70,000
children polio. Bill Gates is a eugenic and child doctors admit that children
that are not vaccinated are in his surgery a lot less than vaccinated ones.
They are definitely guilty of child neglect. Pre schools and the likes who
refuse to accept these kids into or onto there premises are quite within there
rights. We can see in the latest news items of brainless uninformed parents
whose kids are coming down with different diseases. These parents who refuse to
vaccinate kids should be charged and taken to court to feel the full force of
Bill, I guess you did not hear how Bill Gates polio vaccine in India actually
gave over 70,000 children the disease and killed some. NaturalNews.com has
videos by doctors saying what some of the weird stuff that is being put in them.
Aluminum, mercury, animal blood, antifreeze, etc but the worst is aborted baby
tissue. The cases of vaccine damaged kids are skyrocketing every year. Do your
own research, please start by buying an issue of The New Zealand Journal of (
small letters) over Natural Medicine. If the newsagent you go to does not stock
the magazine then order it. Big Pharma should be made accountable.
Robert, Tell that to a vaccine damaged kid's parent. The incidence of them is
skyrocketing every year. Bill Gates polio vaccine actually gave over 70,000
children the disease and some perished. Do your own research find out what goes
into them like Aluminum, mercury, animal blood, antifreeze, etc the worst being
aborted baby tissue. I get a very good magazine that comes out bimonthly called
The New Zealand Journal of( small letters) of Natural Medicine. If your
newsagent does not have it order it. Years ago they phased out aluminum
saucepans because they found out it caused dementia but now the doctors are
injecting it into us.
Yes it’s an absolute disgrace that any human would think that this is ok to do
that to a child, they definitely do not have the children’s best interest at
heart , the dr did the right thing in informing the correct people ... the
children would have been feeling so sick how can a parent do that ...the
children should never be returned , the breeders should never be allowed
children in their care ever and should be charged, it could have been worse and
the children may not have survived:/
Unfortunately a parent who refuses vaccination for their child is exposing other
children to viruses, not just their own. If their unimmunised child catches the
disease, they can spread it to other children who are unvaccinated, and to
infants too young to be vaccinated yet.
I personally think it is neglect, but some people have been convinced by the
paleo-dieters and other nuts that vaccination is dangerous. There can be side
effects, occasionally devastating ones, but the percentage is much smaller than
the percentage of deaths and disablement from the diseases.
I grew up when there was lots of poliomyelitis around, and no vaccine against
it. It was scary, and families whose children got the disease were treated like
criminals. Even if a child was cured, which happened occasionally, no other kids
were allowed to play with them or sit near them in school. But most of the
infected kids ended up crippled or dead.
It makes me sick to think anyone could do this to children let alone your own
children wake up you stupid people if we didn't have vaccines there would still
be diseases such as the bleach plague and the likes just wake the f... up I'm
disgusted with these absolute idiot's all my children are vaccinated and I
certainly am glad they are please people wake up.
The big problem is that vaccines are artificial immune enhancers. Natural
immunity strengthens the body AND the species. Unfortunately the strong survive
the weak perish.
The risk in a few generations is something innocuous now COULD decimate the
planet OR WORSE.
In this case, the Police may have been bit over reactive, but the chldren
always come first and I believe the doctor did the right thing under his duty of
care. considering what we have seen with outbreaks of measles and the
meningococal instances - anti vaxxers need to take a good look around the world
and stop thinking it won't happen to them. Vaccination appears to be a choice,
but I do not believe it should be. When I was a child vaccinations and boosters
were mandatory. All of my biological and foster children were vaccinated form
birth until teens. All of my grandchildren, godchildren nieces and nephews are
vaccinated, and ongoing for new born family members. There is no way, as a
senior, I would not have vaccinations myself to protect anyone's babies.
The way that statement was worded it sounds very incriminating to antivaxxers
which shows bias.
I think you should have the right to choose for your child.
My child is fine with vaccination but i've known other children who show extreme
I think everyone should have the right to choose.
But if you're child is sick and your denying them medicine that could be
Kerry, Did you know Amish people don't ever have children with autism until they
are forced to vaccinate them. Most vaccines have mercury in them, animal blood,
aluminum which causes damage to the brain, etc but the worst one is aborted baby
tissue. Check out the NaturalNews.com website and there you will be able to get
a rundown on what goes into them.